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Thread: New here and to AR's... just some questions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd00000 View Post
    He said that the magpul vert grip had movement that he didn't like.
    Indeed, I missed that. Having never used them, how much more "solid" would a UTG/MI drop-in quad rail be than a Magpul hand guard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by paratom View Post
    I dont understand what you mean by "not from the M&P line".

    Do you mean since i bought it second hand?
    No.... I had no way of knowing if it was second hand or not, since you hadn't mentioned that.

    What I mean is that Smith has two separate lines of ARs. One is good to go, the other isn't so much.....

    The M&P line is good (spec wise, it looks good anyway.) The "Sport" line is, well, not so good......

    So, is your carbine an M&P, or a Sport?

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    Quote Originally Posted by paratom View Post
    On another note, why aimpoint over the eotech?
    That's an endless debate. Both are high quality sights with known plusses and minusses. Both companies sell to the US Military and Law Enforcement agencies. Each has its fans and detractors.

    Delta Sierra doesn't like the small dot. I find that leads to more accurate shooting for me and I love my EOTech XPS2. Aimpoints are very good on battery life. The EOTech less so, mainly because the have a larger more involved display (Dot plus aiming ring on most models.)

    Also, ignore his SW rant. You stated you bought an M&P15 in your original post. While not equal to a Colt or DD, S&W makes a good rifle. The M&P15Sport does leave off a few features in the interest of saving money, but nothing that would affect a target or HD rifle.

    I do however, agree with the "No UTG" sentiment from just about everyone. I'm not sure where you got the UTG for a good priced, USA made rail idea, but almost everything from UTG is bottom-of-the-barrel chinese made junk. Pretty much no one here is willing to sift through all the UTG crap to find a possible gem, when good, US made gear is available for a little bit more.
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    Colt SP6920, LE6920, 6720
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    DD M4V5 clone, Troy 5.56 Carbine, S&W M&P10
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    Quote Originally Posted by fdxpilot View Post

    Also, ignore his SW rant. You stated you bought an M&P15 in your original post. While not equal to a Colt or DD, S&W makes a good rifle. The M&P15Sport does leave off a few features in the interest of saving money, but nothing that would affect a target or HD rifle.
    Well, Genius....

    The Sport is marked as an "MP15" as well....

    So, saying that since his original post stated that is was an "MP15" doesn't mean a thing, since he could have purchased a Sport....

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaSierra View Post
    No.... I had no way of knowing if it was second hand or not, since you hadn't mentioned that.

    What I mean is that Smith has two separate lines of ARs. One is good to go, the other isn't so much.....

    The M&P line is good (spec wise, it looks good anyway.) The "Sport" line is, well, not so good......

    So, is your carbine an M&P, or a Sport?
    In my original post i mentioned that i bought it from a family friend, it was new. I also mentioned that it is the MP15. (if thats what your talking about). Here is the a link to the exact rifle i have, for info
    http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...layErrorView_Y

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    I will make this really simple for you OP.
    Any accessories you may be thinking on purchasing, go to gandrtactical.com or bravocompanyusa.com to see if they carry it.
    Neither outfit sells Chinese junk.

    As far as the EOtech vs. Aimpoint debate...
    Pat Rogers says he sees far more EOtechs go down in his classes than Aimpoints.
    Larry Vickers stated if you aren't using an Aimpoint, you're smoking crack.
    Who's gonna argue with them on it?

    Before spending an assload on your rifle, I would suggest you buy a case of ammo, preferably 5.56 pressure ammo, and run it hard through a professionally run training class.
    You will find out really damned quick the things that you need as opposed to the things that you want.
    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    Anybody that owns or sells pistol versions of assault rifles is a bottom feeder, irregardless of the ban status of certain ammunition.

    They are illigetimate weapons that have no real purpose other than to attract retards to the gun community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fdxpilot View Post
    I do however, agree with the "No UTG" sentiment from just about everyone. I'm not sure where you got the UTG for a good priced, USA made rail idea, but almost everything from UTG is bottom-of-the-barrel chinese made junk. Pretty much no one here is willing to sift through all the UTG crap to find a possible gem, when good, US made gear is available for a little bit more.
    Im pretty sure the new models of the UTG rail are made in the USA. Correct me if im wrong though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIP3R 237 View Post
    The gen 2 MI's are decent. DD is awesome.
    I own a second gen MI rail. It's a 12" SS series one piece free float handguard. So it's not a quad. Mine weighs 9.3 oz. The carbine length only weighs 7.1 oz. I really like it and if you want to add a rail it comes with a couple.
    http://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/...ategory_ID=450

    Did I say UTG was crap?

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    Quote Originally Posted by polymorpheous View Post
    I will make this really simple for you OP,

    Before spending an assload on your rifle, I would suggest you buy a case of ammo, preferably 5.56 pressure ammo, and run it hard through a professionally run training class.
    You will find out really damned quick the things that you need as opposed to the things that you want.
    And give you some street cred on the site
    'Evil Minds That Plot Destruction'

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaSierra View Post
    Well, Genius....

    The Sport is marked as an "MP15" as well....

    So, saying that since his original post stated that is was an "MP15" doesn't mean a thing, since he could have purchased a Sport....
    Well, other than lacking a dust cover and forward assist, neither of which affects the use of a rifle in the HD role, the Sport is made to the same standards as the rest of the S&W line. Not top quality, like Colt, BCM, or DD (all of which I own,) but much better than Stag, DPMS, Bushy, Oly, Windham, etc.
    Colt SP6920, LE6920, 6720
    BCM Lower/ARP 6.8SPC upper for hog hunting
    DD M4V5 clone, Troy 5.56 Carbine, S&W M&P10
    PSA Lower/BCM LW 16" middie CHF upper
    PSA Lower/BCM LW 14.5" middie upper
    2 PSA 18"6.8 rifles, PSA 20" M16A4 clone
    Remington 870, Remington 700VTR
    SA XDm9, XDm9C, , XD9SC S&W 1911
    Ruger GP100, Hawkeye77 Compact 6.8SPC
    Kel-Tec KSG, Marlin 336 30-30, HK 45C, VP9
    Sig 1911 Tacops, Scorpion 1911, M11A1, P226 Mk25

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