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Thread: New here and to AR's... just some questions

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    OP, I am getting the impression that you want a quad style rail but do not want to put out a ton of cash in the process....
    First, take the advice of EVERYONE who has posted thus far....
    UTG is crap!!!!

    If you want to get a quality rail at a cheaper price, try to find a Knight's Armament two piece rail (that is not a copy). They are all over the place. I was at a gun show and they were selling them for like $80! They were not fakes!

    As for your rifle, the main issue with the M&P is that the barrel is not mil spec and the bolt is a semi auto bolt. You have a rifle that is a little over gassed and an out of spec chamber. This will all be covered if you read the stickies in the AR technical forum.

    There may be some things that you will not want to hear from members here about your rifle but please remember this WE ARE ALL HERE TO HELP. You can not put a price on a rifle, handgun or shotgun that will be used to save your life. You should demand the best! Take some time to save the extra cash to buy what is proven kit. Don't ever skimp on equipment that may one day save you or a loved one's life. Good luck and welcome to M4C.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paratom View Post
    On another note, why aimpoint over the eotech?
    I have an Aimpoint ML2 and love it. Holds zero, waterproof/fog proof, and for fun I drove over it with my Jeep to see if it would break. A little scratched, but still running strong. I have since added a rubber cover and can't even see the scratches.

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    If you like your etoech, keep it. it's mostly a preference debate. The rail you don't want to come off it it gets banged around, so it's a good idea to get a good one. expect to spend atleast 150 on it. MI is a good choice, I have a YHM on mine, and it was cheap, but works for what I need it to. The rifle should hold up fine, just use it a fair ammount before you trust it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta_co View Post
    I have an Aimpoint ML2 and love it. Holds zero, waterproof/fog proof, and for fun I drove over it with my Jeep to see if it would break. A little scratched, but still running strong. I have since added a rubber cover and can't even see the scratches.
    Not sure if this is a serious post.
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    Anybody that owns or sells pistol versions of assault rifles is a bottom feeder, irregardless of the ban status of certain ammunition.

    They are illigetimate weapons that have no real purpose other than to attract retards to the gun community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta_co View Post
    I have an Aimpoint ML2 and love it. Holds zero, waterproof/fog proof, and for fun I drove over it with my Jeep to see if it would break. A little scratched, but still running strong. I have since added a rubber cover and can't even see the scratches.
    Last edited by Five_Point_Five_Six; 11-22-12 at 20:22.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoryCop25 View Post
    If you want to get a quality rail at a cheaper price, try to find a Knight's Armament two piece rail (that is not a copy). They are all over the place. I was at a gun show and they were selling them for like $80! They were not fakes!.
    what? Why do I never find deals like that? I'd buy one of those in a hearbeat for that price...

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    I've been through a lot of rails including the MI Gen 2 FF before finally settling on what I think is the best (but not the most expensive) rail you can buy:
    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=116029

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    FWIW, the M&P Sport has a 5.56 NATO chamber. However it does have a 1:8 5R barrel made of 4140. I don't necessarily think this is a bad thing overall. (Just like some of you run 1:9s anyway).


    I briefly owned/had one in my possession. We shot a small amount (100rds) of M193 5.56 ammo through it without any issues or signs of over-pressure.

    The rifle comes with a mil-spec receiver extension and the bolt is HP marked. (Didn't see any MPI marks though). The inside of the carrier is chromed. I haven't checked if there is an o-ring in the extractor, but I still have the BCG, so I can look. Front sight base is F marked. Fit and finish is quite decent actually.

    The stock it comes with sucks, but no one is surprised about that. The handguards do not include heat shields.


    I think this rifle whips its closest competition such as Del-Ton, DPMS, Bush/Windham, RRA, etc.


    I'm not saying it's a DD either, but it appears to be a decent buy.



    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...on-mp15-sport/

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    You got the rifle for a good deal. Stay in the good deal zone.
    Leave those standard hand-guard for what they are and run it.
    Hard.

    Buying a "quad"-rail is only useful if you have a clue what you need it for, otherwise it's just bullshit, something to slap on your rifle "because it looks cool and all the cool guys have it, so I should too", right?

    Getting lost in a discussion about ant-****ing and what make sucks and what does not is pointless and does not answer the real issue at hand.

    Use some of that idle time in the next day or so and read a lot on this here forum using that magic search button - learn from those that really know. You will see that (one of) the only thing to worry about is weight. Why add it if you don't need it.

    This and other things you will find out taking a good class, as was suggested earlier.

    So use the cash you saved already, plus more you're saving by following this advice, to buy lots of ammo, and then sign up for a good class - plenty of info can be found here as well on what that's all about.

    Buying a bunch of shit without really KNOWING why and what works does not make sense, and most of the advice you've received so far fails to address this (save for precious few..)
    The ONLY way you learn that is by taking a good class - starting with a more or less solid basic set-up like yours and find out from there what you may need to add - if anything - what works for you in your situation.

    Hint - First thing i did after my first 3-day class was throw every DD-omega rail off every rifle. Excellent gear, but way overkill for me. Too much room for shit i did not need creating too much weight. They now sport either a Magpul MOE handguard (light, ergonomic, easy to adapt, strong and cheap), or Troy slick rails - totally awesome. For me.
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    In no order of importance - here's what I'd say you need to start off with:
    -good sling;
    -good RDS;
    -then later on, a good light.

    What is good? use SEARCH! Then see if this applies to you. We're all different.
    Other than that - again - leave it as is, run it hard, see what breaks, if anything and what you need - if anything.

    Good luck.
    Last edited by polydeuces; 11-22-12 at 22:10. Reason: spelling correction
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