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    Quote Originally Posted by FireForEffect View Post
    If any of you guys are in Nevada there is a lawyer here who has been setting up NFA trusts for us.

    http://nevadaguntrustattorney.com/
    Benjamin L. Bunker
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    He is a very nice lawyer, He take his time answer all your question, I got my NFA trust by him for my Silencerco Sparrow and 45 Osprey on March 2011, I bought a Spectre II on December 5, 2012, I call him up, He help me update the NFA trust, Also he Love gun too

    Now I have to wait for few moth to get my F4 back.

    I'm very please with the trust that he did for me, Very high recommended.

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    Interesting and timely. I'm planning on a few NFA items in the near future and just spoke with CLEO last week to test the waters. While he was amenable to signing off, I have been thinking about a trust instead.
    After reading this thread, I decided two things -
    1) Go with a trust
    2) Hire an attorney familiar with NFA trusts to craft it.

    Thanks for the info and links.
    Send lawyers, guns and money the $#!+ has hit the fan...

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    So you're telling me...

    That if a trust is written up by a lawyer and some how, some way, you end up in court, they'll represent you free and only for the price of the trust? If this is criminal court, would you want a criminal defense attorney, and if so, did you have a criminal defense attorney write up your trust?

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    My Local FFL class 3 guy made my trust using quicken will maker.
    Charged me $75 one time fee. However I still had to get it
    notarized and witnessed. Used my local bank for free. I used it with
    a form 1 for an SBR. 7 months later I had a stamp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatboyR6 View Post
    My Local FFL class 3 guy made my trust using quicken will maker.
    Charged me $75 one time fee. However I still had to get it
    notarized and witnessed. Used my local bank for free. I used it with
    a form 1 for an SBR. 7 months later I had a stamp.
    Are you in Jax by chance? There's a dealer here who does that.
    Steve

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    That dude is practicing law without a license, which is a criminal offense in every state of the union and can and will get his FFL yanked if he is caught.

    I would trust a gun dealer to correctly draft a trust exactly as much as I would trust him to correctly rebuild my transmission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TriumphRat675 View Post
    That dude is practicing law without a license, which is a criminal offense in every state of the union and can and will get his FFL yanked if he is caught.

    I would trust a gun dealer to correctly draft a trust exactly as much as I would trust him to correctly rebuild my transmission.
    If he's performing document preparation without providing legal advice, he's not. The service he's performing is data entry into an established software program, that is know to be a good solution for extremely vanilla document preparation (and not useful for much else). It's this attitude that disenfranchises otherwise intelligent people from the legal system entirely - I have literally no idea why an intelligent layperson shouldn't be able to handle pretty any non-litigious legal proceeding by themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TehLlama View Post
    I have literally no idea why an intelligent layperson shouldn't be able to handle pretty any non-litigious legal proceeding by themselves.
    That is because you don't have the requisite experience to understand why getting attorneys involved before trouble erupts is smart. If you don't work in this field you have no idea how complicated "non-litigious legal proceedings" are. Would you negotiate a contract without an attorney? Probate a will? Draw up that will? If so, my God, please keep it up because cleaning up messes created by laymen who think they can handle "non-litigious legal proceeding(s)" on their own keeps me in business.

    An intelligent layperson might be able to handle the preparation of an NFA trust by themselves, although in light of the jacked-up, legally invalid trusts I've seen prepared by otherwise intelligent people using everyone's favorite software, I tend to doubt it. An intelligent layperson cannot legally handle it for someone else. NFA trust preparation ain't that complicated, but from what I've seen it's too complicated for most people to do it correctly. But you would depend on a gun store clerk who might have a high school diploma to do it for you?

    I cannot believe that there is any state in the union where preparation of a trust (or will, or contract, or small claims petition, etc.) is considered "data entry" and not the provision of legal services. What do you think that clerk is doing when he prepares that trust? What does he tell his customer? "Hey, don't worry, this is completely valid under existing state law and won't get you in trouble with federal authorities potentially rendering you a felon?" Sounds like legal advice to me.

    I'm happy to be proven wrong.
    Last edited by TriumphRat675; 04-17-13 at 19:22.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TriumphRat675 View Post
    That dude is practicing law without a license, which is a criminal offense in every state of the union and can and will get his FFL yanked if he is caught.

    I would trust a gun dealer to correctly draft a trust exactly as much as I would trust him to correctly rebuild my transmission.
    So what are you saying? My Revocable Living Trust that was approved by the BATF is not legal since a Attorney did not prep it? where does it say on the BATF website that it needs to be, or where on the form 1 does have a line to be signed by the attorney?

    Also I frequent the shop of my FFL which has many LEO's there daily. He's been doing RLT's for years and years. Seems like if it was not legal it would have been shut down a long time ago Boss.

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    Affordable NFA Gun Trust

    You missed the point.

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