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    I bought my Stag Mod. 1 shortly after Barry was "elected".

    Recall, guns and ammo were going through the roof. I DO remember that day looking at a Colt and it was somewhere around $1,600(ish).
    There was also a USED BM for $800ish.

    This was my first AR purchase. Previously, all I ever owned were shot guns cheap pistols and SKS's. lol

    But after getting familiar with the AR line of weapons in the Army I HAD to have one as my main defense weapon.

    Also, for the record, I'm married with four kids. At that time, I had just went on unemployment and we were really feeling the pinch.

    So, the Stag was $950ish vs the Colt @ $1,600ish. Obviously, strictly base on funding alone, I had to choose the Stag. Even IF I had KNOWN that the Colt WAS a better weapon, it would not have mattered.

    It does seem that this issue is beat to death here on M4C about Stags (etc) being "as good" as the Tier 1 brands.
    This is illogical. And wishful thinking. It's OK to say "I made a mistake" whether it was misinformed or simply out of ignorance. Doesn't matter. Admit it, and move on.

    I have

    To answer the question from the OP
    YES.
    I HAVE been happy with my Stag. I've probably only shot 500ish rnds through it of which app. 200 were WOLF steel cased with no issues ever.

    I've done some things cosmetically to it but nothing operational.
    If I had to "bug out" some where, do I think it'd get me there if I had to dump a few hundred rounds out of it? YES.

    If I was snatched off the street with it and was told I'm going to the sand box and I've gotta take the Stag - I'd ask if I could get something that has a lot more (obviously, well deserved) reputation.

    LOL
    In fact... me and my wife got into a slightly heated discussion about this last night driving home from Wal-Mart after drooling over the Colt LE6920.

    I proceeded to explain to here (using what all I've learned/read here on M4C) the differences between these items. She counters with logic based on a limited budget and many things to yet still acquire to feel comfortably prepared should TSHTF/WROL scenarios ever play out, that we would be better to have TWO less than Tier1's, etc.

    Even still, I am constantly going back and forth w/in myself on this.
    Do I NEED the best of the best because I'm one of those guys going to classes and doing a lot of shooting? No. In truth my Stag is an insurance policy. A guarantor. Not my main method of bringing devastation and death to OPFOR's.

    However, at this point in time, things being priced yet still the way they are, I CANNOT justify skimping on a better built weapon to save $100-$200.

    Obviously, if you can't afford the extra and MUST have something NOW - as was MY case almost 4 yrs ago, then you do what you gotta do and I find it hard to imagine that anyone would actually begrudge you for THAT.

    I think what annoys some people here is when some claim that THEIR Stag/Oly, etc etc is THE SAME as the TOL's. And I understand this.
    It actually irks me too lol.

    My $.02


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    Quote Originally Posted by WillBrink View Post
    It was just an analogy to his comments vs specific to how a custom 1911 gets built vs ARs.

    Starting with quality parts obviously a plus, but it's an over simplification then make the leap their end product is the equal of other brands per se.

    That was my only point to the comment there.
    Ahh gotcha, I agree
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    I like my Stag 2TL. There are a lot of people on this site that are... well... I'll just keep my mouth shut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lethal dose View Post
    The plus package is a step in the right direction. What's the cost of one, though?
    Quote Originally Posted by djmorris View Post
    Stag is not as bad as DPMS, Bushmaster, Olympic Arms, etc but they are way over priced. Sure you can get a Stag "Plus" package for like $999 but that's the price of Colt or BCM which is way more proven and all around trustworthy.

    **** Stag.
    like mentioned, the one i saw was $830 with a leo discount, and $930 without. on paper it's the same as something like a colt that's around $1050. i'm not pushing anyone to buy one (i couldn't in good conscience since i don't own one) but how much less should it be? you can't do as much milspec as possible on it and still charge the same as an olympic, or dpms. i don't know that the plus package would hold up as well as a colt (but i haven't seen anything empirical to indicate otherwise.)

    i just don't understand why when a company makes the effort to meet the market's demands they are still ostracized. if, and that's a big if, they have come up to higher end quality with their plus package, and newer upgrades on the standard rifle, at what point would it be accepted?

    this site by far has the most knowledgeable and experienced guys with this type of firearm, but i think when new guys look for a quick answer, they don't even realize why the shouldn't buy something, other than it doesn't have one of a few names stamped on it. that's not a reference to stag, just in general. glock had the rough start i mentioned, and had a major uphill battle, and now they have a pistol that's in the very small group with an nsn number.

    to summarize, i'm not saying stag has moved into a group with the known quality pieces, but they have made strides to move themselves up from being a turd, and i commend them for that. i also think even if they did make a rifle identical to a colt in ever respect, it would still be labeled as a turd.

    once again, i don't have anything stag, so figured i would play devil's advocate based on my limited personal observations with stag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Anderson View Post
    I bought my Stag Mod. 1 shortly after Barry was "elected".

    Recall, guns and ammo were going through the roof. I DO remember that day looking at a Colt and it was somewhere around $1,600(ish).
    There was also a USED BM for $800ish.

    <snip>

    Also, for the record, I'm married with four kids. At that time, I had just went on unemployment and we were really feeling the pinch.

    So, the Stag was $950ish vs the Colt @ $1,600ish. Obviously, strictly base on funding alone, I had to choose the Stag. Even IF I had KNOWN that the Colt WAS a better weapon, it would not have mattered.

    <snip>

    If I was snatched off the street with it and was told I'm going to the sand box and I've gotta take the Stag - I'd ask if I could get something that has a lot more (obviously, well deserved) reputation.

    LOL
    In fact... me and my wife got into a slightly heated discussion about this last night driving home from Wal-Mart after drooling over the Colt LE6920.

    <snip>

    However, at this point in time, things being priced yet still the way they are, I CANNOT justify skimping on a better built weapon to save $100-$200.
    That's very similar to my story, except mine started around 2007. I could buy two Stags for about the same price as one Colt. My Stags had poorly staked gas keys, which I fixed with a pocket MOAC. Put several thousand rounds through each without any glitches.

    Sadly, my two Stags were stolen, along with the ones I built. By that time, Colt prices were fluctuating between $900 - $1100. So I got a Colt and built another. There's a "feel" to the Colt that just feels more solid. At today's prices, IMHO, it's worth the slightly more coin.
    Last edited by Whytep38; 11-11-12 at 12:58.

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    Only Stag product I have is a lower which I bought stripped.

    No real complaints on that part.

    All the major components on my AR are BCM though...

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    Can the older model Stag's be brought up to par? With a Tier one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whytep38 View Post
    That's very similar to my story, except mine started around 2007. I could buy two Stags for about the same price as one Colt. My Stags had poorly staked gas keys, which I fixed with a pocket MOAC. Put several thousand rounds through each without any glitches.

    Sadly, my two Stags were stolen, along with the ones I built. By that time, Colt prices were fluctuating between $900 - $1100. So I got a Colt and built another. There's a "feel" to the Colt that just feels more solid. At today's prices, IMHO, it's worth the slightly more coin.
    I have the same issue with the Safety Selector that someone else mentioned. It' just not "crisp". There is play in it.
    I too have the "chiseled" look gas key staking. And very minor staking on the castle nut.

    I looked at the chart and IIRC the only thing that was different on paper was the barrel. I'm understand the Stag (Model 1 anyways) have 4140 barrels. I was just looking for the chart and google says it's not available?

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    *ETA*
    Feed ramps. I'm reading they only had rifle feed ramps. Odd... I thought my receiver HAD M4 feed ramps.
    I'll check on this ASAP.

    *ETA*

    Rifle feed ramps.
    Last edited by Mr.Anderson; 11-11-12 at 14:17. Reason: ETA

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    Quote Originally Posted by das View Post
    Can the older model Stag's be brought up to par? With a Tier one?
    If you want total par with Tier one, no, unless you want to spend more money than it's worth.

    For example, older Stags like the ones I had used 4140 steel in their barrels. I have no concerns about that because my understanding is that M1 Garrands used the same steel. However, it's a difference that would require costly replacement.

    There are other items, which may or may not be important to some people. But to do it all wouldn't be a cost effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by das View Post
    Can the older model Stag's be brought up to par? With a Tier one?
    You'd probably be better off selling it as-is on AR15.com and buying a complete Colt, BCM, DD, etc.

    like mentioned, the one i saw was $830 with a leo discount, and $930 without. on paper it's the same as something like a colt that's around $1050.
    LEO discount that most of us do not have. Also, just because it looks the same on paper.... that means nothing... I'm more concerned about consistency and the small details like the gas port size, etc.

    You can put together a PSA for $650 and I'd take it over a Stag "Plus" any day of the week. At least PSA is to spec and you do not have to purchase any extra package BS to meet the minimum standard. What a bunch of hogwash.

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