Semi-Precision Carbine (definately not a "Scout")

[msstate56]

I'm looking to start working on a semi-precision, compact carbine for a general purpose bolt gun. It will be used as a hunting and target rifle that I want to be small and handy. Kind of like a "Scout" rifle, but leaning towards the precision side. So far I'm thinking about getting a Remington 700 SPS tactical in .308 Win. It has a 20" barrel that I would like to get cut down to 16" and threaded 5/8x24 for brake and eventual suppressor use. One thing that I can't figure out (due to Remington's convoluted website) is the twist of the barrel. The website says 1 in 12" but most other .308 barrels in the SPS line are 1 in 10." I plan on mostly shooting 150-168 grain hunting and target ammo. I also want to add detachable bottom metal for AICS magazines. I'm looking at Badger, Battle Arms and CDI Precision. For glass I am looking for something in the mid range such as a Leupold MR/T 2.5-8x36. Except for some rare occasion, I won't be shooting over 300 due to range limitations and local hunting terrain. Any input or suggestions on the above mentioned products, or concept in general will be appreciated.

[VTLO910]

Just get the Ruger Scout Rifle... Google it... It's gotten some great reviews... Also comes standard as magazine fed. Converting a Rem 700 to accept magazines cost $$$ and is often inconsistent among gunsmiths, so it could end up having magazine feeding issues.

[msstate56]

Just get the Ruger Scout Rifle... Google it... It's gotten some great reviews... Also comes standard as magazine fed. Converting a Rem 700 to accept magazines cost $$$ and is often inconsistent among gunsmiths, so it could end up having magazine feeding issues.

I'm aware that it would be cheaper to get the Ruger Scout Rifle, but I'm afraid it won't be accurate enough for what I want. I've read several positive reviews, but most seem to say that it's a 1.5-2 MOA rifle at best. I'm looking for at least 1 MOA. I have a couple of precision ARs that I can shoot to .75 MOA, and I don't see the point of a bolt gun that isn't close to that.

[Mysteryman]

I'm looking to start working on a semi-precision, compact carbine for a general purpose bolt gun. It will be used as a hunting and target rifle that I want to be small and handy. Kind of like a "Scout" rifle, but leaning towards the precision side. So far I'm thinking about getting a Remington 700 SPS tactical in .308 Win. It has a 20" barrel that I would like to get cut down to 16" and threaded 5/8x24 for brake and eventual suppressor use. One thing that I can't figure out (due to Remington's convoluted website) is the twist of the barrel. The website says 1 in 12" but most other .308 barrels in the SPS line are 1 in 10." I plan on mostly shooting 150-168 grain hunting and target ammo. I also want to add detachable bottom metal for AICS magazines. I'm looking at Badger, Battle Arms and CDI Precision. For glass I am looking for something in the mid range such as a Leupold MR/T 2.5-8x36. Except for some rare occasion, I won't be shooting over 300 due to range limitations and local hunting terrain. Any input or suggestions on the above mentioned products, or concept in general will be appreciated.

This doesn't make any sense. You want a "semi precision, compact carbine for a general purpose bolt gun". You then say you're likely going to run low end 150-168gr factory ammo at ranges inside 300 yards. So which is it? A general purpose rifle, or a precision rifle? By the ammo you're intending to use, and the range at which you're going to shoot, the Ruger Scout is more than adequate as far as accuracy is concerned. Short of match ammo I doubt you'll achieve the 1 moa or sub moa accuracy level you're looking for. For hunting at 300 yards and less even an moa gun will/should get you a 3" group which is more than adequate for an effective kill shot.

MM

[msstate56]

This doesn't make any sense. You want a "semi precision, compact carbine for a general purpose bolt gun". You then say you're likely going to run low end 150-168gr factory ammo at ranges inside 300 yards. So which is it? A general purpose rifle, or a precision rifle? By the ammo you're intending to use, and the range at which you're going to shoot, the Ruger Scout is more than adequate as far as accuracy is concerned. Short of match ammo I doubt you'll achieve the 1 moa or sub moa accuracy level you're looking for. For hunting at 300 yards and less even an moa gun will/should get you a 3" group which is more than adequate for an effective kill shot.

MM

3" groups are not what I want. Will it kill a deer? Sure, but what's wrong with wanting an accurate rifle? 3" groups won't cut it if you are shooting at a 2" target. I never said it was going to be a sniper rifle. Where in my post did I say that I was only going to shoot junk ammo?I don't know what rifles you shoot, but I have shot many rifles that will hold 1" groups with factory ammo. I don't think that's too much to ask. I agree that what I'm looking for is a more accurate version of a Ruger scout rifle. If I am capable of shooting 1 MOA, why not have a rifle that can too?

[mark5pt56]

I don't have one and can't speak for them--but jump in deep! Although a good smith should be able to build one for less than that. It's nice, but I don't see 5k.

http://blackopsprecision.com/?produc...ter-babr-rifle

[msstate56]

I don't have one and can't speak for them--but jump in deep! Although a good smith should be able to build one for less than that. It's nice, but I don't see 5k.

http://blackopsprecision.com/?produc...ter-babr-rifle

That is along the lines of what I'm looking for, except not nearly that kind of money. I want to build one that loosely resembles that Black Ops rifle (same basic concept anyway).

[mark5pt56]

I would give Mark Gordon of Short Action Customs a shout to see what he can build for you. Chad Dixon of Long Rifles is another person that does great work.

http://shortactioncustoms.com/

http://www.longriflesinc.com/

[Littlelebowski]

I don't have one and can't speak for them--but jump in deep! Although a good smith should be able to build one for less than that. It's nice, but I don't see 5k.

http://blackopsprecision.com/?produc...ter-babr-rifle

Agreed. Too bad the AI Covert is so rare.

[mark5pt56]

I forgot, check with Hooper Ordnance, he has done work for me also and maybe a good choice.
http://www.hooperordnance.com/page.aspx



A possible avenue is to pick up a 700 5R with the 20" threaded 5/x24. You could leave the stock as is or add a Manners with certain features. Have a smith machine and install irons. It appears that the front is a modified YHM front flip and the rear maybe the same. Height is obviously altered to minimize height over bore and high enough to allow iron usage without removing the cheekpad or adjusting the stock comb if applicable. You can't have the irons to low as in fixed otherwise comb height needs to be adjusted for one or the other. The Terry Cross(KMW) cheek hardware would be a nice feature, There's a guy "stockdoc" on Snipers Hide that does this work.

For the flip sights, bases would need to be modified or one fabricated to allow for a spring loaded detent. Look though Brownel's at what they offer and in the catalog there's a formula for determining sight height, etc.
I would go with the Seekins Precision detachable mag system if wanting that feature.

For the life of me, I don't know why Winchester, Remington or even Savage doesn't make a decent production rifle like this, they would sell like hotcakes. Although I (hopefully speculate) that FNH may have something along the lines coming, minus the irons though. When looking at the Eberlestock chassis, deduct the price of parts and labor and the price looks better. For the most part you don't get back labor when selling unless somebody really important did it.

Use you imagination and get a second job!

http://yhm.net/index.php?main_page=p...products_id=14
http://yhm.net/index.php?main_page=p...products_id=17
http://yhm.net/index.php?main_page=p...products_id=16
http://www.kmwlrs.com/LoggerHead%20ACP.htm
http://mannersstocks.com/
http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/StoreFront
http://shop.milehighshooting.com/Rem...?productId=714
http://www.seekinsprecision.com/deta...metal-153.html

or-----
http://www.eberlestock.com/M11%20Ste...%20Chassis.htm