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    My experience is it is not worth the effort and most will not shoot it enough to see the difference and even if they do shoot it they still think they know what is better, I have just given up and been happy with my BCM build and save up for more BCM and quality accessories. What I try to do any more is if someone is looking at ARs is drag them to the range and let them light off my old Bushmaster, my BCM build, a friend of mines RRA and what ever other ARs we can find and show them the difference since my BCM middy even though it is new is notably smoother then the Bushmaster or RRA, and then proceed to blow their little minds when I pull the numbers out and show how the BCM build, even with all the bells and whistles cost only $50-150 more then most name brand ARs.


    Also, I should ad, remember a lot of people have little patience and want instant gratification. While it took me several months to put my BCM build together I am generally patient and will wait for the things that I want, though I did end up with a BFH upper instead of a standard because I wanted the damn thing NOW!!, but that was the exception. Most will buy what is on the shelf and would rather have a lesser in hand then a better on order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kain View Post
    Also, I should ad, remember a lot of people have little patience and want instant gratification. While it took me several months to put my BCM build together I am generally patient and will wait for the things that I want, though I did end up with a BFH upper instead of a standard because I wanted the damn thing NOW!!, but that was the exception. Most will buy what is on the shelf and would rather have a lesser in hand then a better on order.
    I'm glad I found a BCM on the shelf at my LGS when I was ready to buy my first AR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgbills View Post
    There was no intent to be a condescending prick. That is why it said is there a polite way. If there is none than nothing would be said. Who sounds like a condescending prick here?

    That was the plan, to show him to shoot, how to run drills and teach him more about the platform. If something breaks show him how to fix it.
    And there you have it. This thread now contains the full answer to your question.

    I didn't say anything different then anybody else said, only difference is that I said it in such a manner that made you focus on the delivery rather then the message because of your ego.

    Look at your friend, then re-read what you wrote....look at your friend again, and then re-read what you wrote again. Delivery choice will either help him, or get the same kind of response that you gave me.

    Lightbulb going off yet?

    Right way to do it:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ten Mile View Post
    Support your friend! Help him keep his gun running. It is important not to let Internet logic influence your decision making, don't rub his face in his mistake. Teach, assist, and be a blessing to him! Rude people make poor friends and drive away new shooters. Don't be an obstacle to him staying in the shooting community.

    Wrong way to do it:

    Quote Originally Posted by GrumpyM4 View Post
    How about you just mind your own ****ing business, and as your "friend" shoots his gun and it eventually fails for (insert typical reason here), and he comes to you asking why and what he should do to repair it, HELP HIM LEARN. Some people need to DO to learn.

    No need to be a condescending prick because you think you bought a better tool then someone else.
    Same message, different delivery, hence different outcome.


    And that is all you need to know.

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    Thankfully the old man listened to his son in law and not all the retarded douchbag LGS salesman who tried selling him bushies and dpms's and explaining to us that there is no difference between those brands and colts. All the stores we went to had several of TOR's (those other rifles) and maybe a 6920 or an m&p and it was obvious they were trying to just make a sale. So after listening to a bunch of bullshit all morning from these guys the old man decided on a 6940 only after I showed him, the LGS, and several other patrons the difference between TOR's and the colt. It's kind of hard for guys to make their argument when you are physically showing them the difference. Jeez people are ****ing gullible and stupid.

    So Anyway the old man gets to bring home to Texas his first ar15 and thank god it's not a bushmaster.

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    Apparently there is not a polite way to accomplish this. I have been surfing predator masters forum for a couple months very politely explaining the difference. From the response I have received I believe I would have gotten off lighter if I would have just personally insulted every ones mother. The guys over there are very protective of their DMPS Sporticals, RRA Tactical Operators, and New Frontier/Plum Crazy lowers.

    I have received a couple warnings for discussing purely technical aspects even though my posts have not come anywhere close to violating forum rules.

    You can be polite and provide the technical information to support your statements. They will provide absolutely nothing in return but you will still be the jack ass that doesn't know what you are talking about in their minds. You will know how Copernicus felt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightvisionary View Post
    Apparently there is not a polite way to accomplish this. I have been surfing predator masters forum for a couple months very politely explaining the difference. From the response I have received I believe I would have gotten off lighter if I would have just personally insulted every ones mother. The guys over there are very protective of their DMPS Sporticals, RRA Tactical Operators, and New Frontier/Plum Crazy lowers.

    I have received a couple warnings for discussing purely technical aspects even though my posts have not come anywhere close to violating forum rules.

    You can be polite and provide the technical information to support your statements. They will provide absolutely nothing in return but you will still be the jack ass that doesn't know what you are talking about in their minds. You will know how Copernicus felt.
    That's exactly how many new members feel they are treated here...lol
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    Grumpy M4 is totally correct IMHO. It's not your mission to berate his purchase, or save anyone from buying shit ARs. Help him out if he asks and guide him then.



    On the other hand, if you are friggin OCD and cant keep from saying something just e-mail him this pic.




    Tell him not to drop/fall with/fall on his weapon too hard.
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    And I think we can now end this thread.



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    Quote Originally Posted by cgbills View Post
    Ok I had been talking with a friend about purchasing an AR. Today he came and told me he bought an AR. My first thought is sweet, but then he told me what he bought, a Bushmaster C15 556/.22 combo with two uppers from Dick's. I tried to be nice and tell him I would give him some classes on shooting and talked a little about mil spec AR features, but didn't tell him he screwed up getting the setup. So how do I break it to him? Just be straight up and tell him, or go shooting with him, let him shoot my BCM and let him come to the conclusion on his own? Just curious if others have had this same thing happen to them and how they handled it.
    "That's not the AR I would have chosen had you asked my advice on purchasing an AR" is all I'd say and leave him to learn on his own regarding why (unless her asks...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airhasz View Post
    That's exactly how many new members feel they are treated here...lol
    When I showed pics of my clunky BM with goofy stuff hanging from it (and in my defense said goofy stuff was all given to me but never mind that...) and asked for advice, the members here were nothing but helpful in directing me to better choices for the $$$.

    It's all in how you ask. As others have stated: most come already to defend their choice vs truly get informed and make smart choices based on that.
    Last edited by WillBrink; 11-19-12 at 09:47.
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