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Whoop-de-****ing-doo. What uncompromising stalwarts of liberty they are!Originally Posted by kwelz
The socialists will make it sound like you either support doing SOMETHING, or you're ok with the slaughter of children. Just like the lobbing of baseless racism accusations.
I refused to be punished for this heinous act for which I had no part of. We are a nation of individuals, not a collective. We share no guilt as a whole.
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This isn't 94. There are a lot less dems in conservative districts. Going anti gun won't hurt as many dems as it did before.
Now is a great time politically for the left to push guns as an issue. They can paint the GOP as being against middle class tax cuts and for guns to shoot your kids. The DEms really don't care about gun rights, they know it is a wedge issue that plays well with dumb suburban soccer mom's, who frankly aren't all that pro Dem lately.
The get a gun ban and it doesn't hurt them. They don't get it and it is the GOP to blame everytime we have another nut crack.
Of all places CNN pointed out at the end of an article that the biggest mass murder at a school was in 1927 in Michigan by a former School board member with bombs. Something like 42 killed.
So much for pop culture and guns as a cause....
The Second Amendment ACKNOWLEDGES our right to own and bear arms that are in common use that can be used for lawful purposes. The arms can be restricted ONLY if subject to historical analogue from the founding era or is dangerous (unsafe) AND unusual.
It's that simple.
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Those who oppose it will be called all sorts of names, attacked in the media as being out of touch. Remember, this is a President who won re-election when according to the numbers and all economic indicators, he should have lost in a landslide.
The legislation will be called "common sense legislation we can all get behind to keep our children safe." When things are introduced in the name of keeping children safe, people react emotionally. It's part of the Saul Alinsky et. al. methodology of the progressive/liberal means of getting the masses to do what you want.
They won't go after the weapons, they will go after magazines. They will say something along the lines of: "We are not taking away your guns, we believe in the Second Amendment too. We simply want to limit the capacity of magazines in what is clearly common sense legislation. There is no need for a firearm to hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition."
They will then attempt to reign in bulk ammo purchases, as well as online sales of ammo and magazines.
Obama has used executive orders to skirt the legislative process before; I see no reason why he wouldn't go that route first, then push legislation through the Senate and the ridiculously weak GOP led House.
Anyone who feels another gun/magazine ban is a non-starter is simply fooling themselves.
Better start writing and calling your US Senators and Representatives NOW, and keep writing and calling them.
The only thing most of them worry about is staying in power, the possibility they won't because of an anti-gun vote is enough to sway them back to the US Constitution and our Second Amendment.
"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." - Abraham Lincoln
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I can't predict the future and say there won't be a ban, but after Columbine I looked at my dad and said, "If they don't pass a bunch of gun laws after this one, they never will."
No laws got passed. Mass shootings continued and will continue.
If anything, it may lead to the public demanding more right to concealed carry and whatnot.
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Agreed. Normally very moderate CO D Gov Hickenlooper just opened the debate on more gun control yesterday, and the dems rejoiced. Now is a great time politically to bring it up. A dem that doesn't support stricter gun control now is going to be viewed as a heartless bastard.
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Exactly as LSHD said...
For years, decades really, our society has been conditioned to react emotionally to things that require logic.
The emotional reaction to this shooting will be a massive, sweeping gun and/or magazine ban.
Logically, we who frequent this forum know that guns are not the problem, however we are preaching to the choir.
I find it unfortunate that this forum is basically at the bottom of the Forum list. I wonder how many industry pros look at this. I wonder how many feel they are somehow above a new gun ban. I wonder how many of them will wish they did more when their training classes are affected, when as civilians, they can no longer replace their own guns. Before that, their classes will be comprised solely of military and police. The demand will slowly shrink, many of them will lose their businesses.
Besides that, do we really think that civilian contractors won't be seen as a threat by the current administration?
Hell, Bloomberg wouldn't even allow armed National Guard troops into NYC post Hurricane Sandy because he didn't trust them with guns. He believes only the NYPD should have guns in NYC, because they are all completely above reproach.
Last edited by Matthew; 12-14-12 at 13:38. Reason: Clarity
"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." - Abraham Lincoln
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The coming AWB will put gun makers out of business, gun stores out of business, and trainer out of business. This will unemploy hundreds of thousands and will greatly increase violence, but it is coming.
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All very true, but when the violence increases, the left can call for more laws, more police, more fascism, more government oversight and control.
Plus, the left will have that much less to fear about an armed population.
"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." - Abraham Lincoln
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The sky isn't falling, and "we" need to be careful in how we react to this.
BUT.
I do not believe America has the will to see a classroom full of kindergartners hauled out in body bags without the cry of "DO SOMETHING!" becoming so deafening that even many on our side will feel they have to give in.
It's different this time. People who have had no interest in the gun debate even through other shootings (of adults) are right now watching a constant stream of dead kids and crying and posting on Facebook about how "why do we keep letting people have guns?".
They can't make sense of it (who can, really). They can only react. And there isn't an "easy" reaction to this. The masses will ask, "what could have prevented this?" and they will be presented with two options.
One option requires a great deal of effort, discipline, and constant vigilance, and still carries this risk of something happening, and then being required to face it head on if it did.
The other answer involves legislators signing some papers that will never affect them, and really does nothing to solve the problem, but requires no effort on anyone's part really, just a bit of an inconvenience for a few nuts.
Which do you think they'll choose?
People would send their microchip their kids, have them tracked on GPS, and keep them schooled in a max security prison if it made them feel safer about it.
--Josh H.
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Tell us more about the future, time traveler.
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