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    Best they could do is actually just use it as demonstration if the need to enforce current laws. If he, a normally law-abiding person, (I assume, loosely), doesn't care enough about that law to obey it due to having no fear if it being enforced...what person with criminal intent is going to care in the least?
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    Quote Originally Posted by platoonDaddy View Post
    My new theory: Best thing NRA could do is come to the defense of Gregory. If DC does not pursue the charges NRA can claim victory and if they prosecute Gregory NRA can claim they even defend their foes right to bear arms paraphernalia. Win/win.
    I like it. Conversely, the worst thing they could do is vigorously call for him to be prosecuted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmac View Post
    I like it. Conversely, the worst thing they could do is vigorously call for him to be prosecuted.
    Not necessarily, as I don't know them to spend much time assisting overt law breakers. They may not like the law, but once in place it's not in their best interest to defend those that break it unless certain circumstances warrant a defense.

    In other words if I am found with a 30 round mag here, the NRA would not waste any time on my defense and may even choose to distance themselves from me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
    As much as I'd like to see that hairpiece after a few months in lock-up, I suspect that this is not going to result in any charges. Depending on how DC defines possession, simply holding a band object for a few seconds is not likely cut the mustard for any DA who does not want to get laughed out of court. This is especially true if it can be shown that somebody else purchased the magazine. For example, you are not going to be charged with possession of drugs if a security camera records you picking-up a bag of crack off the street, looking at it, then setting it down before leaving. It would be a different story if Gregory was shown to have purchased the magazine, brought it to the studio, or left the studio with it in his pocket.

    Then, they would need to prove that the magazine is functional. If MSNBC removed the spring and rendered the magazine permanently inert then it is probably not going to be illegal. I suspect that this is a real possibility given that the top of the mag does look altered.
    This is incorrect. Any rookie worth their salt could make this case. You're on national TV in your studio, which is located in DC. You're holding an illegal magazine. You admit on tape that it's an illegal magazine. Ignorance of the law is no excuse (if only I had a nickle for every time I've heard that in my life). What's that? You say it wasn't real? Show it to me now. You don't have it? Where is it? Who did you transfer possession of the illegal magazine to? Your producer? So you are stating for the record that your producer also had possession of an illegal magazine? Where is your producer? Let's go talk to the producer...

    And so on and so forth. You dig until there are no more answers forthcoming. You have credible evidence to support an arrest and you make the arrest as soon as you stop getting answers from people. While it is a technical legal matter, it isn't rocket science. The simple fact of the matter is that there IS a double standard. If you were driving along in DC and a traffic cop saw the exact same unloaded magazine in plain sight, you'd go to jail. You'd get prosecuted. You'd be found guilty and unless you copped a plea, you'd get the maximum sentence. We have created out of thin air, an entire class of elites in America. Congratulations, we now have a caste system.

    This country has become a disgusting caricature of it's former self. I can't ****ing stand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glocktogo View Post
    This is incorrect. Any rookie worth their salt could make this case. You're on national TV in your studio, which is located in DC. You're holding an illegal magazine. You admit on tape that it's an illegal magazine. Ignorance of the law is no excuse (if only I had a nickle for every time I've heard that in my life). What's that? You say it wasn't real? Show it to me now. You don't have it? Where is it? Who did you transfer possession of the illegal magazine to? Your producer? So you are stating for the record that your producer also had possession of an illegal magazine? Where is your producer? Let's go talk to the producer...

    And so on and so forth. You dig until there are no more answers forthcoming. You have credible evidence to support an arrest and you make the arrest as soon as you stop getting answers from people. While it is a technical legal matter, it isn't rocket science. The simple fact of the matter is that there IS a double standard. If you were driving along in DC and a traffic cop saw the exact same unloaded magazine in plain sight, you'd go to jail. You'd get prosecuted. You'd be found guilty and unless you copped a plea, you'd get the maximum sentence. We have created out of thin air, an entire class of elites in America. Congratulations, we now have a caste system.

    This country has become a disgusting caricature of it's former self. I can't ****ing stand it.
    You are an LE, right? When was the last time you saw someone successfully prosecuted for possession based only on video evidence that they were holding an illegal object for a few seconds AND the police did not have custody of the item as evidence. I ask because that would be the DA's case if they decided to prosecute.

    You think that the Metro PD is going to start arresting MSNBC staff for possession of a high capacity magazine that was only seen on TV as a prop? Keep in mind that MPD does not even have custody of this magazine to verify its actual existence as a banned item. Any defense attorney worth a damn will shoot all kinds of holes in the evidence chain. Without the police having the magazine as evidence, it does not matter that Gregory said it was banned since it is expected that he would want the audience to believe it as such for dramatic effect.

    I'm no fan of Gregory or MSNBC, but I can tell you there is ZERO case unless the police had taken custody of the magazine when Gregory walked off the set. In addition, I'n not a fan of wasting city resources on cases that can't be won.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
    You are an LE, right? When was the last time you saw someone successfully prosecuted for possession based only on video evidence that they were holding an illegal object for a few seconds AND the police did not have custody of the item as evidence. I ask because that would be the DA's case if they decided to prosecute.

    You think that the Metro PD is going to start arresting MSNBC staff for possession of a high capacity magazine that was only seen on TV as a prop? Keep in mind that MPD does not even have custody of this magazine to verify its actual existence as a banned item. Any defense attorney worth a damn will shoot all kinds of holes in the evidence chain. Without the police having the magazine as evidence, it does not matter that Gregory said it was banned since it is expected that he would want the audience to believe it as such for dramatic effect.

    I'm no fan of Gregory or MSNBC, but I can tell you there is ZERO case unless the police had taken custody of the magazine when Gregory walked off the set. In addition, I'n not a fan of wasting city resources on cases that can't be won.
    You do realize that your argument is semantical, right? MPD will never even investigate this. They'll come up with a lame excuse like the one offered on the TMZ report and it'll be done. MPD agrees with MSNBC and will do whatever is necessary to support their war on gun ownership. Lanier is a joke as far as cops go. She's just a liberal lapdog showpiece and that's all she'll ever be.

    FWIW, yes I have seen convictions secured with video alone. Not every case ever bought to court requires direct physical evidence. Of course circumstantial evidence is trickier, but it's neither impossible or implausible from a prosecution standpoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glocktogo View Post
    You do realize that your argument is semantical, right?

    I realize that my argument is based on the reality of the case at hand. That reality is the DA will never be able to prove that the magazine being waived on TV was banned. They will also not be able to prove that Gregory bought it, brought it, or left with it provided that he and the army of lawyers at NBC's disposal have half a brain.


    Call it semantics if you want, but I prefer to call it reality and the desire not to waste resources on battles that cannot be won. I also have no desire to see the cops rounding up people based only on evidence from a picture or video that depicts them holding something that MIGHT be illegal. I said the same thing 3 years ago when Michael Phelps had his picture taken with a bong at USC and the local police chief got a bug up his ass.

    Had there been a cop on the scene to arrest Gregory as he arrived to or left the set with the magazine (assuming that it actually is a 30 round mag), I'd go along with the idea of charging him.
    Last edited by Sensei; 12-27-12 at 13:53.
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    Just goes to show that only law abiding gun owners actually obey these stupid laws. Even the anti-gun crowd thinks they are silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by platoonDaddy View Post
    My new theory: Best thing NRA could do is come to the defense of Gregory. If DC does not pursue the charges NRA can claim victory and if they prosecute Gregory NRA can claim they even defend their foes right to bear arms paraphernalia. Win/win.
    OK. But why didn't he get called for the violation immediately on live TV. The NRA has lot to answer for, IMO. That is why we are losing. OUR SIDE IS WAY TO POLITE.

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