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Thread: New to the forum and new to AR building - How do you know when to say when?

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    Well now you don't have a choice but to slow down and think about it. Since everybody purchased everything everywhere. Your $600 in parts would cost twice as much (or more) now. So just hang out and look and read here, 'cause you have plenty of time to figure it out. Half the fun is putting it together and then changing your mind and fixing it. That's why you end up with a backup rifle to use up all the leftover's

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    Quote Originally Posted by tkglazie View Post
    Looks like this thread is a moot point anyway. ZP just emailed me that the BCG I bought wasnt in stock after all. And there I was thinking it was on a UPS truck. So I am in the same boat as everyone else now, waiting for BCM/LMT/Colt/DD to make more BCGs.

    Thanks anyway- I learned a lot and will definitely know what to keep an eye out for (definitely getting that trigger for sure).
    Ebay have bcm bcg but they r selling for almost 400 dollars! too much money!

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/BCM-BCG-Brav...item35c2c9d065
    Last edited by packers; 12-28-12 at 16:29.

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    Thanks for the good insight theblackknight, shorts, dasbulk, sea gunner and packers. Damn those are some crazy ebay prices on BCGs- now $319 for a new JP FMOS doesnt seem so bad!

    JP says they still have my order open and say they will fill it shortly. So now whats a fella to do? Take a $319 top-end BCG now, or cancel the order and take his chances that in the next year or two the prices and availability will stabilize and get one of the big 4?

    Were BCGs available during the last ban?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DasBulk View Post
    Spend thousands of dollars on things you don't need. Look at it for months telling yourself, "Damn... thats a fine looking 12lb some bitch right there."

    Shit looks cool, until you have to carry it around when you take a summer time class in Texas. Its all good, till you start to sweat and forgot a shemagh or a collared shirt. Suddenly that sling starts to rub your neck in that special way. The way that starts to feel really good when you get sweat on that spot and it start stinging. Now all you can think about is, "Damn, that sucks..."
    So to ease the sting, you ditch the laser designator that you thought was super cool and never put it back on. Then you get home that night and think... Wow... I can switch out this CompM4 for a T1 and save a ton of weight on my neck. So you do. Then you think to yourself, Those rails on the side of my gun aren't doing anything but add weight... So you switch out the KAC for a TRX. "WOW, feels so much more nimble and my neck feels better too and I can still mount my light at 12 oclock and have no shadow from my barrel!" So you do. Badda bing! You now have a modern, lightweight and generally inexpensive poodle popper that weighs in around 7.7Lbs. Alot of people go though the "that is badass" phase and buy laser, bi pods, huge vertical grips, and all that when they first start out. They generally look down on the simple guns. Until they pick it up and realize their gun is a brick and thats why the guy at class with an MOE handguard doesn't have a sweat eagle on his chest and you do.
    Wow, does this sound familiar. Great post!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulletdog View Post
    Wow, does this sound familiar. Great post!
    Definitely one I am taking to heart. I know my nephew is not going to be using this for long range shooting (he is not a BR shooter, plus he has bolt rifles in .243/.30-06 that fill that role) so I am definitely leaning towards a traditional lightweight carbine with a good trigger and a quality barrel, either in 14.5 (with fixed tip) or 16", probably in 1:8 twist. The more I read about 1:8 the more I like the versatility. That decision is well down the road though. I am leaning towards SS because I know he will never put enough rounds through it to shoot it out and the improved initial accuracy is a plus.

    I am going to avoid the temptation to build any kind of heavy barrel 18" SPR or anything longer. He isnt going to be running 3 gun or anything. I just want to build him a solid carbine with the best internals I can get, a good barrel and a crisp trigger. I dont think he is the type of kid (well, he is a man now I guess, wow I am old) that wants a tacticool, flashy gun.

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    one option

    Things are pretty tough to come by at the moment, so here's one option that really seems worth a look.

    Alpha Ops has nitrided Daniel Defense 16" barrels with DD bolt carrier groups, pinned lopro gas blocks or FSB and gas tube for a little under $500 shipped (so think $300 barrel, $40 FSB/gas block, $150 BCG, and $10 gas tube). Daniel Defense has top quality hammer forged barrels and quality bolt carrier groups. http://www.alphaops.com/index.php/ar15barrels-c-45

    Nitride vs chrome lined is up for discussion, but I don't see how a hammer forged Daniel Defense barrel with pinned gas block will do you wrong. It is 'possible' it is the perfect balance of durability (from hammer forging and nitriding) and accuracy (from not chrome lining).

    The only downside is they are new/unproven, but I personally trust Daniel Defense to put out top quality parts and barrels.

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    oh my thats a great deal, now to decide on fsb or lo pro....

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    Glad that might work for you.

    Just depends what you want. FSBs have the advantage of offering a very durable sight - Lopro has the advantage of allowing longer rails.

    If it was me, I might consider a FSB with a free floated rail (tons of options, I would look at a Troy Alpha 9", Noveske 9" NSR, or Centurion C4 with midlength cutout). So it will maximize accuracy potential and still have the FSB.

    If you want to reign yourself in a little on the spending, just set it up with a Magpul MOE midlength handguard. They are very comfortable and adaptable with various rails/accessories.

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    I didnt even mess around 2nd.amendment. I went with the FSB version and pulled the trigger (so to speak). Now to see if alpha actually has this kit in stock.

    Given the climate we are in I have no problem making this purchase just to get the proven BCG. If the barrel is a winner, great. If it isnt- I can always swap it out for a new barrel and bolt in a few years. The application I have in mind is not HD/SD etc, so I have no problem with an unproven technology if it is from a known manufacturer. If it ends up being a winner, then I end up being an even bigger hero for picking a cool new design

    Now to decide if I pickup another one for myself...

    Either way, great tip.
    Last edited by tkglazie; 12-29-12 at 18:39.

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    Quote Originally Posted by temecula View Post
    You are awesome for giving this type of present.
    He still has to graduate

    If he starts to F' up in the meantime I might have to drop a hint or two to give him an incentive!

    Besides, I get to do the fun part- build, proof, break in, load for it, etc. After that, all he gets to do is shoot it!

    If this purchase goes through this build has gone from starting to get crazy expensive to not being that unreasonable. I was at almost $650 for a stripped upper, lower and BCG to potentially being at $800 for a stripped upper and lower, BCG, barrel w/fsb and tube. now if I can just use some discipline and not waste money on grossly overpriced LPKs and furniture...

    That being said, if anyone has one of these Palmetto LPKs that comes with the ALG trigger I would pay good money for it http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...c-act-lpk.html

    What a great deal that was- under $70 for an LPK that included a $65 trigger group? Those days might be long gone....
    Last edited by tkglazie; 12-29-12 at 19:01.

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