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Thread: BLACKOUT vs BE Meyers -- drop test

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trim2L View Post
    Seems to me it would be better to use real life results instead of computer modeling. This could potentially hurt BE Meyers reputation with as little as a trumped up computer simulation.

    Personally I find it a bit tacky when a company publishes negative test data on its competition the way you're doing here. Business as usual though, right?

    Are you aware of how many things you use in your daily life that are tested in FEA and never go through "real life" testing.

    FEA is scientific fact. Like using a ruler to measure something.
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    Interesting how things have kinda come back around to the beginning.
    Seems the Blackout resembles the original three prong flash hider on the early M16.

    No dig of any kind meant. I always liked the look of the early three prong hider.

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    How about a, non biased 3rd party reviewed, demonstration of the efficacy of the assorted flashhiders?

    Considerations should include, different: ammo, tempature ranges, altitude, and humidity.


    The BE Meyers product (which BTW works REALLY well) requires flex to work. This is understood by the end users and it isn't used as a prying bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dano5326 View Post
    The BE Meyers product (which BTW works REALLY well) requires flex to work. This is understood by the end users and it isn't used as a prying bar.
    Obviously you've never met my boss, Richard. He's a former Marine. Products, especially expensive prototypes, commit suicide in his hands. If you hand him a BE Meyers or BLACKOUT flash hider he will somehow bend it around the barrel, snap off a prong, then hide it in the back of the safe before anyone catches him. He's like some sort of low-rent Houdini - no one knows how he does it, and we're almost always distracted by a diversion while he pulls it off.

    But seriously, I think Robert should break out the video camera for some drop tests. Just try not to let the neighbors see you...that would be a tough one to explain to the Boston PD.
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    I would be interested to see an analisys of the actual material used in each and then enter those values into the simulation. I would be supprised if both products were made to identical specs, and that the values used would remain the same.

    scientificly speaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dano5326 View Post


    The BE Meyers product (which BTW works REALLY well) requires flex to work.


    ???


    Care to elaborate on this?
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    Marines aren't issued the BE Meyers flashhider, or any other piece of light, fast high speed gear, because their gear must "grunt proof" aka gorrilas/teenagers in Lance Corporal uniforms shouldn't be able to break it.

    BE Meyers produces products, including their electrical optical line, for a much different end user.

    And, no I won't elaborate on proprietary info from any vendor. Buy a few hundred thousand dollars from them & I'm sure they'll explain their products a wee more in depth.

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    The BE Meyers does not require flex to work. They might have said that to you, but it is not the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mos2111 View Post
    I would be interested to see an analisys of the actual material used in each and then enter those values into the simulation. I would be supprised if both products were made to identical specs, and that the values used would remain the same.

    scientificly speaking.
    Both are made out of 17-4 stainless. It is an excellent material that Freedom Arms uses for its 454 cylinders and McMillan uses for their custom receivers. AAC heat-treats to a higher strength of 183KSI which BE Meyers appears to use 126KSI which is expected from the HRC of 33 that was measured.

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    Yes, someone please test away -- but don't use a video camera set to automatic gain. Put it into manual and open the iris all the way and get a camera known for high sensitivity. I prefer to use a still camera set to ISO 3200 and F1.4 and open the shutter and capture a 3 shot burst. In my tests the BLACKOUT has approximately 10% less light emission than the BE Meyers and 25% less emission than the Surefire Phantom-clone. I have used a computer to sum all of the pixels and give an actual number as to the illumination.

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