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    Well I'm sure glad I scored my colt LPK from Grant a year ago...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurretGunner View Post
    Your really reading to much into it. Dont bring the TDP up, as thats only applicable to military contract arms. If you havent realized by now that Mil spec does not always mean , "best" than I can't really help you out.

    And the FCG's that went to shit on the colts in my arms connex and issued to my company are considered the "best" than you can keep that shit. The TCN's made a good living replacing them at the level 3 weapons shop in Arifjan.


    A ****ing spring is a spring. Like lowers there are very few companies that make these parts and there is a VERY high chance they are the same shit. Next your going to tell me a DD lower made by CMT is a better lower than a Global Tactical Lower made by CMT.
    Like a rifle is a rifle? Like a bushmaster and a stag are the same as a colt and a BCM? I must be missing something then..
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurretGunner View Post
    I would venture to assume...

    That the vast majority of LPK are sources from the same places. Everything from DPMS to BCM /DD are probally from a handfull of companies, with many being the same.


    Its called branding..... and that's why they sell for different amounts.
    I think this used to be the case, but that was many years ago. More and more companies (like S&W, DD, Colt, LMT etc) are making more and more parts in house.

    Then there are many OEM manufacturers in the US that make them. Some are good and some are not. We are also seeing tons of AR parts that are made in China, Taiwan, etc entering the US. They suck.



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    Grant....

    Do you know for a fact that they are making them inhouse?

    My real concern is that the level of tooling , space, and labor to make these would be cost prohibitive with the low production rate of firearms. And that is just one component of a fire group. They also wouldn't be able to take advantage of economy of scale and it would drive the price passed to the customers through the roof.

    If 99% of companies farm out their Lower production, with a lower bring a realitively easy part to machine with modern CNC, then how would the be able to machine small parts. It is just too labor and resource intensive to make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurretGunner View Post
    Your really reading to much into it. Dont bring the TDP up, as thats only applicable to military contract arms. If you havent realized by now that Mil spec does not always mean , "best" than I can't really help you out.
    This is a common misunderstanding I think. People assume that Colt (for instance) ONLY follows the TDP when they have too. From what I know, this is not correct. Colt really only knows how to do one thing and that is to follow THEIR Spec sheet.

    In regards to the AR, there are VERY few parts that are actually "better" than what the TDP specs out. More of it is personal preference (like someone wanting a middy gas system vs a carbine one).

    And the FCG's that went to shit on the colts in my arms connex and issued to my company are considered the "best" than you can keep that shit. The TCN's made a good living replacing them at the level 3 weapons shop in Arifjan.
    If you had the 3rd burst FCG's, they were problematic and never should have been adopted IMHO. Since this doesn't apply to Civy AR's, the Colt SA FCG's are very reliable.


    A ****ing spring is a spring. Like lowers there are very few companies that make these parts and there is a VERY high chance they are the same shit. Next your going to tell me a DD lower made by CMT is a better lower than a Global Tactical Lower made by CMT.
    A standard or spec has to be followed (even for springs). If the wrong material is used, they can rust or wear our sooner than they should. Or the spring is too short or too long, a problem will occur.

    When a company has an OEM manufacturer (like CMT) make something for them (like a lower), they (commonly) have to provide the SPEC sheet. So in all honesty, two companies can have CMT make their lower and one CAN be better (as they used better materials, went with CNC engraving VS roll mark, flared the magwell, etc, etc).

    DD machines their own lower in house (FYI).



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    Quote Originally Posted by TurretGunner View Post
    Grant....

    Do you know for a fact that they are making them inhouse?
    Which company? Please be specific. If we are talking about Colt, they make EVERYTHING in house and also out source everything. This means that they will always have parts available if one of their machines goes down, etc.

    My real concern is that the level of tooling , space, and labor to make these would be cost prohibitive with the low production rate of firearms. And that is just one component of a fire group. They also wouldn't be able to take advantage of economy of scale and it would drive the price passed to the customers through the roof.

    If 99% of companies farm out their Lower production, with a lower bring a realitively easy part to machine with modern CNC, then how would the be able to machine small parts. It is just too labor and resource intensive to make sense.
    More and more companies are finding that being held hostage by an OEM manufacturer sucks. So they are making key components in house. For instance, S&W is making their own bolt catches and selectors. I think they are also now making their own hammer and trigger.

    So if you cannot get parts, does it really matter if the part made in house is .50 more than what you could normally buy it for? No, it doesn't.


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