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    Quote Originally Posted by blade_68 View Post
    If the "field Staking" is done correctly it will hold up under heavy use. I have seen it hold up in FA M16s... Not that I'm recommended that from a mfg. It is as stated "field staking" a field fix. It looks like it is missing the 3 staking for a correct field staking though.
    This is not even close to field-staked.

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    Re: new BCG company....

    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    People viewing this as a "rush project" for profit have it wrong. RCA is a part of H&M. H&M has been working on this for a long time. They are a metal treatment company, not an M4 builder or a holder of the TDP. Little things like this are expected. How they work them out (if they do), is what counts. I think it's a great concept, it just needs a touch of polish.
    Admittedly, I sort of dismissed RCA due to the timing of their emergence. If they straightened out their product with proper materials, testing and assembly, they would have a winning product on their hands. I've been wanting one of the discontinued BCM ion bonded carrier groups for a long while. If they could produce an equivalent product, I'd be all over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtdawg169 View Post
    Admittedly, I sort of dismissed RCA due to the timing of their emergence. If they straightened out their product with proper materials, testing and assembly, they would have a winning product on their hands. I've been wanting one of the discontinued BCM ion bonded carrier groups for a long while. If they could produce an equivalent product, I'd be all over it.
    Their product is great, except the MPI batch test. That's the only difference between it, and a BCM BCG, other than the QPQ instead of anything else. This staking is an issue, though.

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    My BCG arrived.
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    I'm on the fence. Mine haven't shown up yet today, but I am not sure what to do. I'm not really an AR guy so much, so I don't want to balk at a non-issue without really knowing if the technique used is inferior to the staking that most known good companies utilize. If there is enough deformation to perform the task properly, is how the staking appears really a problem? It reeks of being a cost-cutting measure. As does the gas key. And they DO charge a premium price for the units as compared to many top competitors. Hmmmm. I'm leaning towards returning mine as well, and waiting for LMT's or BCM's.

    Edit - just got a UPS email. Guess mine won't be in until tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peshawar View Post
    I'm on the fence. Mine haven't shown up yet today, but I am not sure what to do. I'm not really an AR guy so much, so I don't want to balk at a non-issue without really knowing if the technique used is inferior to the staking that most known good companies utilize. If there is enough deformation to perform the task properly, is how the staking appears really a problem? It reeks of being a cost-cutting measure. As does the gas key. And they DO charge a premium price for the units as compared to many top competitors. Hmmmm. I'm leaning towards returning mine as well, and waiting for LMT's or BCM's.
    The entire purpose of staking the gas key is to deform metal into the ridges of, or above (or both) the bolts holding it to the carrier. It is my OPINION that this method I have pictured in my above post, does not.

    This is not a cost-cutting measure. This is not a time-saver. This is a transition period from one supply/work source, to another. I am going to call RCA later today.

    Every bolt was hand-torqued to 55#. They did not stake them this way "because it was cheap/easy", either. It's just an error, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    The entire purpose of staking the gas key is to deform metal into the ridges of, or above (or both) the bolts holding it to the carrier. It is my OPINION that this method I have pictured in my above post, does not.

    This is not a cost-cutting measure. This is not a time-saver. This is a transition period from one supply/work source, to another. I am going to call RCA later today.

    Every bolt was hand-torqued to 55#. They did not stake them this way "because it was cheap/easy", either. It's just an error, I think.
    Ok, gotcha. If it's just a mistake then perhaps they'll volunteer to correct it. I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to the details of the AR so I appreciate the clarification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    My BCG arrived.
    Yours looks worse than mine even. For reputations sake why would they let these out the door? Especially after they staked previous batches properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerrysimons View Post
    Yours looks worse than mine even. For reputations sake why would they let these out the door? Especially after they staked previous batches properly.
    RCA and H&M are dedicated to quality. They did these each by hand, individually. It's not some shoddy attempt at pushing things out the door. I just don't feel that they view this staking as a problem.

    In the end, there are 650 of these out there. They all, each and every one, have a warranty. RCA will see if it's an issue or not, I believe.

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    Re: new BCG company....

    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    RCA and H&M are dedicated to quality.

    I just don't feel that they view this staking as a problem.
    Considering the latest batch, these two statements seem at odds. Is this a case of "they just don't know any better"?

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