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    Quote Originally Posted by Noodles View Post
    Why anyone thinks $250 is a reasonable price is high on the top of my list.
    Bravo Company is asking $225 for theirs.

    The BCM BCG does feature an HPT/MPI bolt.
    The RCA does not.

    RCA has their bolts MPI batch-tested. It has been shown that HPT can/does significantly shorten bolt-life, and still does not prevent early failure from occurring. Batch-testing is acceptable, per the TDP, from what I understand, on the MPI.

    The price-difference comes in with the QPQ process, and the honing/polishing that parts of it involve, as well as machining, prep, post-qpq stress relief.

    The price-tag is an honest reflection on the cost of manufacture of this product, IMO, based on what I know about what goes into QPQ'ing a complex part like this properly, and the prep/finish/intermediate steps (such as honing the ID of the BCG VERY fine both prior and polishing it intermediate to the QPQ process, and many other things, etc. etc.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    Bravo Company is asking $225 for theirs.
    I don't see that on their site, and when they were asking that, wasn't it with a $60-some NRA donation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noodles View Post
    I don't see that on their site, and when they were asking that, wasn't it with a $60-some NRA donation?
    Here,$190 without the donation.
    http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-B...0auto%20mp.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noodles View Post
    I don't see that on their site, and when they were asking that, wasn't it with a $60-some NRA donation?
    Where have you been? It's been $225 for over two months.

    I bought one of these RCA's because they were in stock and had good enough specs. I haven't used it yet, but it's at home waiting.

    The only way lately to get a BCM BCG is to buy an upper and get it as an option.
    Good luck.
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    RCA Bolt Carrier

    I bought one of their carriers 2 months ago, built a 300 Blackout with it. It seems to work good enough for me to be happy with the purchase, only fired about 60 rounds with the 300 so far, will shoot it a lot more when I get the reloading process all set up for this caliber. I would buy from them again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ring View Post
    http://www.rubbercityarmory.com
    SHOT SHOW! BOOTH 1910


    RCA HAS DEVELOPED A REVOLUTIONARY TREATMENT ELIMINATING THE NEED FOR OIL OR GREASE ON TACTICAL COMPONENTS FOR THE LIFE OF THE WEAPON.

    ONLY OUR HIGH PERFORMANCE PARTS GO THROUGH A RIGOROUS BLACKNITRIDEPLUS℠ PROCESS THAT INCLUDES:
    Molecular Realignment Technology
    RCA uses a proprietary thermal process
    that aligns the steel's crystalline structure
    to increase strength, hardness and wear properties which extends the life of the tactical component.
    Polymeric Adsorption:
    We bind a synthetic fluoropolymer of tetrafluoroethylene to each part to reduce friction and improve wear.

    BLACKNITRIDE℠ Processing:
    Much more than typical Parkerizing, phosphating or black oxide, Blacknitriding℠ is a thermal chemical diffusion of nitrogen and carbon into the surface of the steel. Only Rubber City Armory high performance parts have increased wear-resistance, fatigue strength, corrosion resistance, lubricity and cosmetic appeal.

    =========================


    i was just told they have a "few" in stock, and are taking pre-orders for Feb.

    this company is a joint venture with http://blacknitride.com/ and http://www.chriscerinotraininggroup.com

    more pics

    https://www.facebook.com/RubberCityArmory?fref=ts


    just a FYI, i have nothing to do with this company and do not endorse anything... but im friends with Chris..

    i have never used 1 of these BCG's, but i have had all my BCG's and barrels nitrided by the same company and had no issues

    https://sites.google.com/site/freeba...lonite-and-qpq
    Here is what I don't get. Even if my rifle had one of these carriers, I would lubricate it... Are people actually interested in trying to get their rifle to run without lubrication, or do most people buy these simply because they like that they are easier to remove fouling from? I can't see how being slightly easier to clean is worth hundreds of dollars....
    So to anyone who is looking into buying a bolt carrier with one of those fancy nickel or chrome or titanium blah blah whatever finishes because they are designed to work without lubrication.... Are you really going to run any bolt carrier group through your AR (and considering your spending $250+ on a bolt carrier, probably a pretty damn nice AR) COMPLETELY DRY? This cant be a good idea... while these bolt carriers might possibly require a bit less lubrication, the fact is they are still going to need to be lubricated... so when you boil everything down you're left with a bolt carrier in a finish that is only a step above a pink coating... For the most part it is simply a standard bolt carrier which costs a couple hundred bucks more because you can clean it 30 seconds faster, and you can use less lubrication when applying it. After that, the super expensive finish is simply there to show everyone else through the ejection port of your AR that you found absolutely every last way to sink money into in the form of "upgraded" parts and "tactical" accessories.

    Don't get me wrong, there are quite a few things that you can replace on a standard AR which will offer you extremely noticeable improvements in either the rifles performance and reliability or its user interface and ergonomics. If you haven't already, instead of a new BCG, get a high quality trigger group. Geissele is basically a consensus #1. If you already have a FCG, consider a better optic... unless you already have something that is $1,000+... Still before a new BCG, you should buy/have a good muzzle device. Something top end and $100+ if you already have everything else... Surefire makes very good brakes, AAC makes good flash hiders, and either Knights Armament Triple Tap (if you really want to use your AR as a financial statement) or a Battlecomp if you want a compensator... Also, grips and your buttstock, still more important than a BGC finish. Really the BCG finish should be about the last thing on your list. I suppose it would be above engraved ejection port covers and engraved trigger guards...

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    Actually I just bought it because it was:
    1) In stock
    2) Same price point as other available BCGs.

    I will likely lube all the same, but the key is I may have to lube less...and lets face it, when your out there humping the mountains of East Texas, drops turn into milliliters, which turn into teaspoons, which turn into fluid ounces.. and before you know it your rucking a gallon of Slip just to keep your phosphated BCG wet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheToad263 View Post
    Here is what I don't get. Even if my rifle had one of these carriers, I would lubricate it... Are people actually interested in trying to get their rifle to run without lubrication, or do most people buy these simply because they like that they are easier to remove fouling from? I can't see how being slightly easier to clean is worth hundreds of dollars.... So to anyone who is looking into buying a bolt carrier with one of those fancy nickel or chrome or titanium blah blah whatever finishes because they are designed to work without lubrication.... Are you really going to run any bolt carrier group through your AR (and considering your spending $250+ on a bolt carrier, probably a pretty damn nice AR) COMPLETELY DRY? This cant be a good idea... while these bolt carriers might possibly require a bit less lubrication, the fact is they are still going to need to be lubricated... so when you boil everything down you're left with a bolt carrier in a finish that is only a step above a pink coating... For the most part it is simply a standard bolt carrier which costs a couple hundred bucks more because you can clean it 30 seconds faster, and you can use less lubrication when applying it. After that, the super expensive finish is simply there to show everyone else through the ejection port of your AR that you found absolutely every last way to sink money into in the form of "upgraded" parts and "tactical" accessories.

    Don't get me wrong, there are quite a few things that you can replace on a standard AR which will offer you extremely noticeable improvements in either the rifles performance and reliability or its user interface and ergonomics. If you haven't already, instead of a new BCG, get a high quality trigger group. Geissele is basically a consensus #1. If you already have a FCG, consider a better optic... unless you already have something that is $1,000+... Still before a new BCG, you should buy/have a good muzzle device. Something top end and $100+ if you already have everything else... Surefire makes very good brakes, AAC makes good flash hiders, and either Knights Armament Triple Tap (if you really want to use your AR as a financial statement) or a Battlecomp if you want a compensator... Also, grips and your buttstock, still more important than a BGC finish. Really the BCG finish should be about the last thing on your list. I suppose it would be above engraved ejection port covers and engraved trigger guards...
    I think it's safe to say at this point in time the majority of folks are buying these because they are in need of a BCG, not to yank their BCM in hopes of better performance. They're available, made from correct materials, have an interesting coating that could lead to added benefits, and they're available.

    Like you, I also don't see being slightly easier to clean being worth hundreds of dollars. Worth an 25 extra bucks? I guess we'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    I got one on the Jan. 9th for 179.00 from BCM. Shortly thereafter, BCM added the NRA donation to the price of the BCG. The uppers that have been available from BCM lately come with the option of a BCG/CH for 270.00 additional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun View Post
    I got one on the Jan. 9th for 179.00 from BCM. Shortly thereafter, BCM added the NRA donation to the price of the BCG. The uppers that have been available from BCM lately come with the option of a BCG/CH for 270.00 additional.
    Since my DeLorean broke, this won't work for me. RCA BCG's are readily available in batches every few weeks, as a stand-alone item, though, so that's what I get. I have one so far, will buy another 3 for gifts here in the next month or two, and am nothing but impressed with the concept. Noone has broken one yet, and round-counts on some full-auto guns are in excess of 5K at this point. RCA ran one bone-dry for 1,000 rounds full-auto suppressed, as I understand it. Did fine. Do they advocate this? No. But it is impressive, regardless.


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