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    Quote Originally Posted by mtdawg169 View Post
    The top staking method is referred to as Field Staking and is an acceptable method, but I'd prefer the standard "moacks" style. RCA started selling BCG's in the middle of the panic simply because they could. Aside from the coated carrier, there is no reason to purchase one over a Colt, BCM or Daniel Defense. They were already short cutting the test protocols and now they are moving to an inferior staking method and billet gas keys!? No thanks.
    What I linked is not correct staking. Top staking deforms metal into the screw head from 3 positions around the screw, equally spaced. It is NOT placed on the juncture of the screw and gas-key, but solely in the key.

    RCA did not produce this product as a "panic profit". They had been working on it for many months prior to Newtown. It's a great product, this is just a little snag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    What I linked is not correct staking. Top staking deforms metal into the screw head from 3 positions around the screw, equally spaced. It is NOT placed on the juncture of the screw and gas-key, but solely in the key.

    RCA did not produce this product as a "panic profit". They had been working on it for many months prior to Newtown. It's a great product, this is just a little snag.
    Didn't even notice that till you said something. Strange.

    I don't understand where the need for all of these changes is coming from. Original product was gtg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScatmanCrothers View Post
    Didn't even notice that till you said something. Strange.

    I don't understand where the need for all of these changes is coming from. Original product was gtg.
    They changed assemblers, as I understand it. I think this staking method will be short lived.

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    Re: new BCG company....

    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    What I linked is not correct staking. Top staking deforms metal into the screw head from 3 positions around the screw, equally spaced. It is NOT placed on the juncture of the screw and gas-key, but solely in the key.

    RCA did not produce this product as a "panic profit". They had been working on it for many months prior to Newtown. It's a great product, this is just a little snag.
    You are right, I'm on my phone and didn't look closely at the location of the stakes. I still don't understand why they are making their changes and further screwing up something that was already cutting a few corners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABNAK View Post
    Well, there is that whole "availability" thing. But yeah, along with the use of the proper steels the coating is it's biggest selling point.
    I hear what you're saying on availability. However, G&R has had BCM groups regularly for a couple of weeks (I got one yesterday) and my local shop has had a couple of DD groups sitting on the shelf for a month. Things are getting better, so why compromise?

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    These were hand-staked at great time-cost, and it is a beautiful job. Every product hits a few kinks. I'm not sure why they hit this kink, but I bet it gets worked out soon. It wasn't a cost-saving feature, it was just a lateral move, I think they thought, but it's not so lateral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtdawg169 View Post
    I hear what you're saying on availability. However, G&R has had BCM groups regularly for a couple of weeks (I got one yesterday) and my local shop has had a couple of DD groups sitting on the shelf for a month. Things are getting better, so why compromise?
    People viewing this as a "rush project" for profit have it wrong. RCA is a part of H&M. H&M has been working on this for a long time. They are a metal treatment company, not an M4 builder or a holder of the TDP. Little things like this are expected. How they work them out (if they do), is what counts. I think it's a great concept, it just needs a touch of polish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABNAK View Post
    My key is staked from the side in the proper fashion (I have a MOACKS if it wasn't) and I have the nitrided firing pin. I'll assume that the latter means I also have the "less nitrided" bolt to not screw up the temper of the Carpenter 158 steel (?).
    RCA told me the bolt and carrier are both nitrided the same amount And that the nitride serves as the hardening method over the heat treat/ case hardening method of MILSPEC. I dont know where the user on rhe survivalist thread got the info to indicate the bolt is now nitrided less, in light of this.
    Also, if you have the radiused/chamford bolt you have the newest version with the nitrided firing pin and billit gas key. They are transitioning over their stock, what you get right now is just lottery it seems. I got the radiused bolt but standard firing pin, yet was told on the phone I would get the newest version, so...

    Shade also said some big name guy is designing a staking machine for them, I should have inquired further as to what the current staking method was and what will be different when they get their machine. My bad, any one want to buy a RCA BCG NIB?

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    If the "field Staking" is done correctly it will hold up under heavy use. I have seen it hold up in FA M16s... Not that I'm recommended that from a mfg. It is as stated "field staking" a field fix. It looks like it is missing the 3 staking for a correct field staking though.
    Last edited by blade_68; 06-05-13 at 10:58.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jerrysimons View Post
    RCA told me the bolt and carrier are both nitrided the same amount And that the nitride serves as the hardening method over the heat treat/ case hardening method of MILSPEC. I dont know where the user on rhe survivalist thread got the info to indicate the bolt is now nitrided less, in light of this.
    Also, if you have the radiused/chamford bolt you have the newest version with the nitrided firing pin and billit gas key. They are transitioning over their stock, what you get right now is just lottery it seems. I got the radiused bolt but standard firing pin, yet was told on the phone I would get the newest version, so...

    Shade also said some big name guy is designing a staking machine for them, I should have inquired further as to what the current staking method was and what will be different when they get their machine. My bad, any one want to buy a RCA BCG NIB?
    Mine's for sale, too, lol

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