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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Why does 1/8 raise a "red flag"?
    +1.

    I have a special run lightweight Noveske 1/8 that is nearly ammo-indifferent in its 1 or less MOA performance. BCM stainless steel are 1/8 too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Why does 1/8 raise a "red flag"?
    As others have mentioned, the OP would likely be best served with a vanilla 6920, BCM M4, Daniel Defense M4, etc. All of these rifles feature a 1:7 twist barrel. This has become a defacto standard for entry-level rifles among respected manufacturers whose standard offerings are based off the TDP. As I said, 1:8 does not mean the barrel is garbage. However, when a custom AR shop is touting this in their feature list, I assume there is some reason they chose this twist rate over what Colt, BCM, DD, etc. have settled on as the best option for their entry-level ARs. This vendor does not give any explanation as to why they chose to go a different route.

    Quote Originally Posted by YVK View Post
    BCM stainless steel are 1/8 too.
    Sure, but that's not what they use in their entry level "basic build", which is what the OP was describing.

    Perhaps I misspoke by saying "red flag", I meant more that it raised a question of why they would decide to deviate from a seemingly established baseline (or why they'd use a SS barrel in their "basic build") without explaining why. Coupled with the lack of other pertinent information in their feature list, my overall impression was less than enthusiastic.
    Last edited by CrazyFingers; 01-11-13 at 14:57.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyFingers View Post
    It really doesn't say much.
    1/8 twist, while not necessarily screaming "garbage", raises a red flag.
    Your description doesn't mention high pressure test/magnetic particle inspection for the bolt or the barrel, which raises another flag.

    I'd recommend reading the supplied sticky threads at the top of the forums to educate yourself on what to look for in a quality AR, then you'll be able to determine for yourself if the rifle meets your established personal requirements.
    You DO have a set of requirements for this rifle, right?
    Why would 8 twist raise a flag? Many real match grade rifles use a 8 or 7.7 twist rate and most 7 twist barrels are production grade tough 4150 and chrome lined which is fine for a combat rifle but may not be as accurate as some want to be. Kind of depends on what he wants to use the barrel for.
    In addition, an 8 twist will handle all .224 bullets from 35gr to 80gr VLDs. The only reason the military started using the 7 twist was to stabilize tracers.
    The 90gr VLDs used by some highpower shooters need a 6.5 twist to stabilize.
    Last edited by constructor; 01-11-13 at 15:58.
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    Quote Originally Posted by constructor View Post
    Why would 8 twist raise a flag? Many real match grade rifles use a 8 or 7.7 twist rate and most 7 twist barrels are production grade tough 4150 and chrome lined which is fine for a combat rifle but may not be as accurate as some want to be. Kind of depends on what he wants to use the barrel for.
    Sure. Except the OP described the item as their basic build, indicating parity with other "basic builds" from other manufacturers, such as 6920s, BCM M4, DD M4, etc.
    As my follow-up post explained.
    He states that his "requirements thus far are broad: top level reliability, simple, and home/property defense accurate."
    That doesn't seem to indicate he's looking for a match-grade target rifle with a SS barrel.

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    What's the bolt made out of?
    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    Anybody that owns or sells pistol versions of assault rifles is a bottom feeder, irregardless of the ban status of certain ammunition.

    They are illigetimate weapons that have no real purpose other than to attract retards to the gun community.

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    Seems like the description is not intended to describe basic ar, but this particular shop's entry level offering. look at barrel's contour, it is a heavy match grade bbl. other features like adjustable gas block etc to me indicate they are not trying to compete with rack-grade mil spec offerings.

    to op: I am not feeling much love towards this one. heavy match grade bbl (but free float forend is optional, not standard), adjustable block, don't know what's their niche. Bayo lug??
    I'd pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YVK View Post
    to op: I am not feeling much love towards this one. heavy match grade bbl (but free float forend is optional, not standard), adjustable block, don't know what's their niche. Bayo lug??
    I'd pass.
    That's exactly where I was coming from. Obviously his choices are more limited than they have been in the recent past, but unless he's interested in the specific features this rifle is sporting it's probably not worth his time to dig any deeper into the other specifications.

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    You didn't say what they were charging for the above mentioned rifle, but I have no doubt you could assemble a better rifle for less money.

    Get on some 'notify me when back in stock lists', and move fast when you get the email, and you can probably do it at fairly normal prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polymorpheous View Post
    What's the bolt made out of?
    Undetermined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eodinert View Post
    You didn't say what they were charging for the above mentioned rifle, but I have no doubt you could assemble a better rifle for less money.
    Before the current panic, $1100, near as I can tell. Once the dust settles, who knows?

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