2013 SHOT Show Threads

[RyanB]

I would concur with you about Tier one bull shit marketing if it was anyone else, but Bill Geissele is a stand up guy and vetted by industry heavyweights. Mr Geissele developed the HK 416 rail at the request of Delta, and now Delta is having their guns deliver from HK with the Geissele rail pre-installed.

If Bill tells me this Glock mount is designed at the request of a tier one unit that does a lot of hostage work, I would wholeheartedly believe him.

Let's stop and think. What elite hostage rescue unit uses Glocks and red dot sights AND Geissele rails and triggers?

I can't think of one...

[RyanB]

Simply look at the Geissele 416 rail, how many MR556 or how many 416 are in use? how many SFOD-D operators are in serivice to fulfill the demand for Bill to pull even on his investment? I don't think there is enough 416s in Delta to help Geissele come out on top on this venture. Most likely he will not recoup the cost of developing the 416 rail, but Bill at the request of the Unit, jump at the chance to do something for them. In the end something good came out of it, his Super rail for AR were an off shoot of that project, and he could likely make money with the rail for the DI market. so as you debate the point of dollar and cents, I just don't think that statement could stand with a man like Bill....

I would expect that he gave them a quote and they cut a check. Custom kit costs custom money.

[xrayoneone]

Thanks for the reply. I can't use it for work but I've been looking at a race gun Bianchi type setup.

[RHINOWSO]

Mk18 Pilot obviously fails to understand the SOCOM business model, the usually get what they want - and while the sky may not be the limit on pricing, Geissele triggers don't have to worry about being underbid by a RRA march trigger.

[ruf]

Not SMGLee quality, but here are some pics I snagged of the TangoDown iO Cover from other booths at SHOT.

[DMR]

Is it possible to just get the M962LT 700 lumen head to upgrade my M962? Looks like my new carbine will be sporting a 500 lumen M600 Ultra(if I can find one that is).

[kmrtnsn]

Ruf,

Are the LF suggested adjustment arrows going to make it to the production version?

K

[ruf]

Ruf,

Are the LF suggested adjustment arrows going to make it to the production version?

K

Unfortunately, no. Nothing a paint pen won't fix. Trying to keep it super simple.

[ICANHITHIMMAN]

So did LMT bring anything new? Just more waiting?

[patriot_man]

Not too sure, best to call Surefire. Don't email

Also from word of mouth I am hearing that the Surefire 2013 catalog online wasn't the one actually given out at SHOT. Apparently numbers are updated and more products that we have been expecting. Can anyone confirm?