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    Quote Originally Posted by samuse View Post
    Are they stagnant, or consistent?

    Do their carbines run? Yeah.

    Do their carbines blow up, wear out, malfunction, etc because they're not "middies" No.

    Are their small parts, receivers and barrels some of the best in the business? Yes. There's a reason they're recommended by many and demand a premium.

    Do they have high quality standards and maintain them consistently? Yes.

    Do they support their products after the sale? Yes. They may not be as accommodating as the smaller boutique brands, but they do have a decent warranty/service dept. and they're big enough to meet the demands of large organizations.


    Don't get me wrong, I appreciate all the innovation made in past few years when it comes to free-float handguards (even though I don't have one), triggers, furniture, slings, optics, lights, magazines, etc.

    But, there's also something to be said about a platform that's good enough for people to be able to put so much effort into what's basically minutia.
    +1.

    The debate is something of the difference between Charlie Brown and Calvin (of the old cartoon, Calvin & Hobbs). Charlie is boringly predictable -- Calvin was off an a new, imaginary whim every day.

    So here's the deal - in a crisis situation, do you want something as dead on consistent as a rock, or something that looks pretty but acts fickle?

    There is a reason my personal carry weapon is one that has never, not one time jammed or failed to operate properly.

    Put me in the bin with the people who vote "boring but dependable."
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    I only wish COLT was stagnant and stayed out of the PISTON gimmick, the MOE Circus guns, etc.
    "You people have too much time on your hands." - scottryan

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    Colt builds reliable AR's, built to specification, allowing you to take it home and play your own game of Barbie dress up by dragging it though the Brownells catalog with a crap magnet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    I only wish COLT was stagnant and stayed out of the PISTON gimmick, the MOE Circus guns, etc.
    Colt started the piston gimmick in the 1960's early 70's.

    Go google Colt 703.


    Quote Originally Posted by BBossman View Post
    Colt builds reliable AR's, built to specification, allowing you to take it home and play your own game of Barbie dress up by dragging it though the Brownells catalog with a crap magnet.

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    Thats true, but without innovation and upgrades someone else will soon create the new standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Colt builds War Horses, not show ponies.
    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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    When it comes to DI AR's Colt has made more than anybody - and for a longer period of time

    They stick with what they know and that means no middy gas systems - if that is your biggest complaint about a Colt you need to get a grip!!

    I have many Colt rifles and even though I run BCM as my primary I still respect and recommend the brand

    Even Paul at Bravo will tell you Colt is the benchmark - they are the originals and will always be the brand everyone compares their carbines against

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    I'm old enough to remember the rise and fall of Colt 1911s. Colt was happy to trot out the same old guns when the likes of Kimber and Springfield was putting out upgraded 1911s. High sweep beaver tails and ambi safeties. Lowered ports and upgraded triggers and sights.

    Colt on the other hand offered that same old gun with a plastic trigger and other parts because people who bought a Colt 1911 shipped it off to a gunsmith to have the upgrades added to it.

    Colt doesn't move forward until it just has to. If the loss of the full size M16 to FN did not motive them into some change then people crying for a middy gas system wont.

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    Colt and innovation are not necessarily synonymous with each other, however Colt and consistency are.

    Take a look at their handgun developement.

    Single Action Army's and 1911 for the LONGEST time, as well as Detective Special/Cobra, Troopers, and Pythons. Then in 1949 the Commander with some chambered in 9mm. Then over 20+ years later the latter in an all steel version, the Combat Commander. Then changing from Series 70 to Series 80.

    The 80's caused Colt to really go out on a limb and offer two tone and compact versions, (the Officers Model), of their 1911's. This is the era that I really remember Colts "innovation." They were all doozies, one being extremely innovative for Colt, the second being "well its about time", and the third being "what the hell were you thinking."

    1.) The Delta Elite circa 1987 may well have saved the 10mm cartridge from going the way of the 41 magnum. Yes there were cracks in the frame over continuous use, but the fact that Colt came up with this idea and ran with it amazes me more than a little.

    2.) The Colt Anaconda .44 Magnum circa 1990, because you know Smith and Wesson and Ruger weren't having ANY success with that cartridge in the last 40 years, oh wait they were.

    3.) The Model All American 2000 9mm also circa 1990. I can only imagine during the planning meetings these guys chatting each other up, CONVINCED that this baby would knock out Sig Sauer, Glock, Beretta, as well as Smith and Wesson, and that they'd be selling these things like hot cakes. Not quite.

    There is something to be said for their conservatism, because as others have mentioned Glock decided to change up a proven system to something perceived a little less than perfection. Similarly I long for the days where Sig Sauers product line was relatively small, but you were 110% certain that every inch of your Sig exuded German pride in quality and craftmanship. I don't have that same faith in Sig now-a-days. I will say they've been very innovative in adding LOTS of guns in different configurations and colors, much like Kimber, hmmmm.

    I guess I will sum this up by saying that innovation doesn't always mean a maintenance of quality. And if making the same boring guns that are the "standard" and they make the company money, then so be it. Until other companies start to seriously affect Colts market share, then there really isn't a reason for them to be more "innovative."

    Best,

    Dave
    Last edited by D.S. Brown; 01-21-13 at 12:00.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikele View Post
    Isn't the goal of any business to adapt, change, etc...aka innovate?
    No, it's to make money. Period.

    Some company's do that by making something that works and sells. Colt obviously has a lot of military / government contracts, and their civie stuff sells too. It's a big company, full of red tape and admin people. Change is hard - they are probably more interested in fighting losing the military contract to Remington.

    Some small companies make money by innovating. Changing, listening to the customer for new needs, etc. Think KAC, DD, Larue, Noveske, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinlessorrow View Post
    I wonder if Colt even has any engineers left lol.
    Yes they do.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Vickers View Post
    When it comes to DI AR's Colt has made more than anybody - and for a longer period of time

    They stick with what they know and that means no middy gas systems - if that is your biggest complaint about a Colt you need to get a grip!!

    I have many Colt rifles and even though I run BCM as my primary I still respect and recommend the brand

    Even Paul at Bravo will tell you Colt is the benchmark - they are the originals and will always be the brand everyone compares their carbines against





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