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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisCross View Post
    I believe in KISS and hope Colt keeps stagnant and making solid rifles.

    I have a Smith and Wesson M&P 9mm I love. Fits my hand like a glove, shoots well but last weekend the FS white dot decided to go missing between mag changes. Now at the range messing around no biggie (other then for ~$500 I would expect better) in a R/L situation... big problem.

    Yes I can send it to S&W where their excellent CS will take care of it and I'll get it back 6-8 weeks from now (with the same faulty FS with the white dot falling out issues). This is NOT just me but a VERY COMMON issue with M&P 9's apparently (Google it).

    I bring that up because that happened in less the 300 rounds and I guess it takes a bit of time to get the bugs out of something (M&P line is ~8 Years Old). With a Colt I don't expect it ever to have an issue with part(s) falling off or it not going bang since they have been refining the same thing on Battlefields all over the world for ~50 YEARS.

    Diversification is fine but not at the expense of QUALITY.

    That is why a Colt is the Gold Standard. It Just Works... all the time, every time.
    Mine did it and that is the last thing that would stop me from hitting my target. I have near 2000 rounds through mine and that's the only bug I've been infected by. Put some 10-8 sights on it. That gives you a good reason to upgrade to better aftermarket sights.
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    As far as stagnant colts. What is stagnant? I have a 6920 that shoots great. It's had forge flash inside trigger guard and isn't as refined as my bcm or lmt/spike lower i have my dad but it does its job and is a really nice rifle.
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    To reiterate and rephrase my comment to get this back on track,

    It would suck for the last rifle Colt made to be the last, best M-4 rifle ever made, just like all of those great Garand manufacturers when DOD dropped the Garand. The world, and the market is moving on from the M-4, as can be seen in the current Army tests, the Corps' love affair with HK, and my own agency's RfQ for a PDW that clearly no version of the M-4 or current Colt product will ever fit the bill. Colt needs to be thinking beyond the M-4. Where is the Colt answer to the SCAR, Beretta 160, etc? Building the best last century rifle in the coming decade is not the answer for corporate longevity.

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    Colt should design a full ambi piston driven system that works as well as their m-4s. They have the resources. It cost millions but if they could make something revolutionary it would be worth it. I thought the original Masada was sweet. Colt should do something along those lines but better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slamd095 View Post
    Check out the latest catalog for 2013.

    http://www.coltsmfg.com/MediaDownloads.aspx

    Great stuff...
    I agree, there are some nice rifles there, and would say that Colt answers many of the questions I challenged the OP with.

    But the statement was that Colt was not innovative enough.


    So, is the logical conclusion that innovation on Colt's part equals moving away from the AR design? Like kmrtnsn alluded to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GUNSLINGER733 View Post
    As far as stagnant colts. What is stagnant? I have a 6920 that shoots great. ... snip ...
    Unless I missed something over several days I've read the entire discussion now and this comment pretty much sums it up the personal angle for me.

    My top three personal criteria for choosing any weapon are:
    1. Reliability
    2. Reliability
    3. Reliability

    And I will note that I view the reliability issue through other lens. In 2010 several of us rode most of the Continental Divide Trail on dual sport motorcycles. After months of reading and research we chose a particular bike with a known history of reliability, ease of owner maintenance, and durability under stress.

    Three days into the off road section of the ride one of our party crashed in heavy sand and tore up a knee. When we checked the GPS we were 75 miles from the nearest hospital. So the goal became to get the rider to medical help, and he was forced to ride the bike out. Reliability took on a mission-critical dimension.

    In my simple way of thinking, I am far more concerned with the core purpose and reliably of the weapon than I am with the market appeal based on eye-candy factors. So for me, Colt is not stagnant - they are spot on the money for my purposes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GUNSLINGER733 View Post
    Colt should design a full ambi piston driven system that works as well as their m-4s. They have the resources. It cost millions but if they could make something revolutionary it would be worth it. I thought the original Masada was sweet. Colt should do something along those lines but better.
    Oh really?

    They should spend millions of dollars to retro-fit an existing system with another system that does exactly the same thing, just not as good, but this time the bad idea is really going to better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmrtnsn View Post
    To reiterate and rephrase my comment to get this back on track,

    It would suck for the last rifle Colt made to be the last, best M-4 rifle ever made, just like all of those great Garand manufacturers when DOD dropped the Garand. The world, and the market is moving on from the M-4, as can be seen in the current Army tests, the Corps' love affair with HK, and my own agency's RfQ for a PDW that clearly no version of the M-4 or current Colt product will ever fit the bill. Colt needs to be thinking beyond the M-4. Where is the Colt answer to the SCAR, Beretta 160, etc? Building the best last century rifle in the coming decade is not the answer for corporate longevity.
    You hit the nail on the head. Colt produces an awesome rifle, but they should be looking to the future with some more innovation. I like the 901, but availability is really low, even before the panic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmrtnsn View Post
    To reiterate and rephrase my comment to get this back on track,

    It would suck for the last rifle Colt made to be the last, best M-4 rifle ever made, just like all of those great Garand manufacturers when DOD dropped the Garand. The world, and the market is moving on from the M-4, as can be seen in the current Army tests, the Corps' love affair with HK, and my own agency's RfQ for a PDW that clearly no version of the M-4 or current Colt product will ever fit the bill. Colt needs to be thinking beyond the M-4. Where is the Colt answer to the SCAR, Beretta 160, etc? Building the best last century rifle in the coming decade is not the answer for corporate longevity.
    But, Colt does have a Piston system like the HK416 mentioned. The SCAR is not being accepted well and from what I have read is being pulled from the lines. A bullpup on the otherhand, Colt has no answer for, so you may have a point there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmrtnsn View Post
    To reiterate and rephrase my comment to get this back on track,

    It would suck for the last rifle Colt made to be the last, best M-4 rifle ever made, just like all of those great Garand manufacturers when DOD dropped the Garand. The world, and the market is moving on from the M-4, as can be seen in the current Army tests, the Corps' love affair with HK, and my own agency's RfQ for a PDW that clearly no version of the M-4 or current Colt product will ever fit the bill. Colt needs to be thinking beyond the M-4. Where is the Colt answer to the SCAR, Beretta 160, etc? Building the best last century rifle in the coming decade is not the answer for corporate longevity.
    This right here.

    Also a little perspective, 10-15 years ago Colt was in trouble. I beleive they were bailed out by the Govt or CT at some point (please correct me if I am wrong) They made great rifles, with BAD PR. Remember the Big Holes? At the time (and I know this is hard to beleive) people advocated Bushmaster over Colt. All the cursing and swearing in the world won't change that (search the internet archives). One move to piss off the firearms community and they could be in hot water again. What about (another) worker Strike. That may be a big if--but stranger things have happened. Things do change whether we like it or not. Things are good for them now--

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