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Thread: Has Colt become stagnant?

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    Well, I think that if they want to make money there needs to be some original development going on at Colt. You can't survive building 50+ year old designs forever If they don't get on the stick soon, they're going to end up like one of all of those Garand manufacturers in the '50s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmrtnsn View Post
    Well, I think that if they want to make money there needs to be some original development going on at Colt. You can't survive building 50+ year old designs forever If they don't get on the stick soon, they're going to end up like one of all of those Garand manufacturers in the '50s.
    Exactly, This is exactly what I am saying. The M4 is great, but if Colt doesn't get with the program 5-10 years from now.....They will be a thing of the past while the next big Manuf. comes in and brings something new to the table, while Colt is still sitting there building the same rifle they have been.

    As much as I like Colt their last truly unique design was the 1911......The rest have been AR variants.
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    Colt builds War Horses, not show ponies.
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    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikele View Post
    Isn't the goal of any business to adapt, change, etc...aka innovate?
    No the goals of most business is to produce a product and be compensated for it. When people come in who also have a passion for what they do then that will come into play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RearwardAssist View Post
    No the goals of most business is to produce a product and be compensated for it. When people come in who also have a passion for what they do then that will come into play.
    Your business model, as well as Colt's both fail to take into account changes in the marketplace. Without change and innovation to keep abreast of the market, those same market factors that keep the doors open change and before you know it, your doors are closed. Without an innovative new product soon, I give Colt 4 years tops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Last year, I approached them about doing an exclusive for us that would utilize a middy gas system. No takers. From what I know, Colt Engineering kind of has the final say on this stuff and they don't seem to have any interest in offering this gas system.
    Gay. Everybody should make a middy. Not like it takes a ton of engineering R+D to do. It's a proven performer. Drill the damn hole further down and source a longer gas tube. Done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMETNA View Post
    Gay. Everybody should make a middy. Not like it takes a ton of engineering R+D to do. It's a proven performer. Drill the damn hole further down and source a longer gas tube. Done.
    I wonder if Colt even has any engineers left lol.
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    Colt builds War Horses, not show ponies.
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    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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    Some people just don't get it, sincerely doubt those naysayers would survive as business owners if they were constantly "changing".

    Colt's got a good thing going, arguably the best...selling every gun they make, why the hell would they think something is wrong???

    My LGS can't keep Colt on the shelf...ever. They are gone as soon as they hit the door.

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    Stagnant on new ideas, yes. However, as mentioned before no reason to fix something that isn't broke.

    Speaking personally, I think Colt is actually doing to much and following the "Colt" logic. To many gimmick models being released. They need to focus on their bread and butter; serious rifles for serious use. There's no need for the trendy "camo" (not referring to mil camo), "retros" that make no sense, etc.

    Their line up needs to shrink covering the follow bases for their users uses;

    Combat Carbine (6920) (NFA 6921 and 6933)
    Combat "Subgun" (6451) (NFA add a Factory SBR)
    Combat Rifle (6### "AR15A4")
    LW Defense Rifle (6720)
    Piston (6940P)
    Large Caliber (901)

    All the above sold standard, plain and efficient. No wierd camo, no Magpul furniture, etc If a "special" option is needed, sell "Custom Shop" type rifles such as the Block 2 M4A1 (based on 6920 and 6921) and Mk18 (based on 6933).
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    Quote Originally Posted by samuse View Post
    Are they stagnant, or consistent?

    Do their carbines run? Yeah.

    Do their carbines blow up, wear out, malfunction, etc because they're not "middies" No.

    Are their small parts, receivers and barrels some of the best in the business? Yes. There's a reason they're recommended by many and demand a premium.

    Do they have high quality standards and maintain them consistently? Yes.

    Do they support their products after the sale? Yes. They may not be as accommodating as the smaller boutique brands, but they do have a decent warranty/service dept. and they're big enough to meet the demands of large organizations.


    Don't get me wrong, I appreciate all the innovation made in past few years when it comes to free-float handguards (even though I don't have one), triggers, furniture, slings, optics, lights, magazines, etc.

    But, there's also something to be said about a platform that's good enough for people to be able to put so much effort into what's basically minutia.
    This.

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    The statements about business, and large corporations are true. Colt really has no motivation to be innovative nor do many large corporations. Sometimes it bites them in the ass though, especially if they only have the fickle consumer in which to rely. Colt has buyers other than the cosnumer, but if that changes, and it may, Colt will be forced to innovate or continue to attempt to live off the brand.

    I've always wanted a Colt AR. I also have wanted a middy for a long time, so avoided Colt until I grabbed an LE6920MP. Couldn't be happier. Still want a middy, but the carbine length GS was not a deal breaker for me.

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