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    Quote Originally Posted by steyrman13 View Post
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    There are a few other companies as well-SIG comes to mind.
    I understand competing in the market, But I would rather leave the tried and true untouched and come out with a completely different model to appeal to that new niche market instead of "improving" on the working model.
    Unfortunetly with so many states in the recent years becoming shall issue obviously handgun sales have increased but the production of sensible products as well as QC have fallen short of what's to be expected form companies who in the past were considered top notch. The list of discontinued sigs says it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LedHead View Post
    Frankly, I don't agree that Colt is the "gold standard".

    I have a 6920. I have a Stag Model 8. I have an LWRC M6A2. LWRC is a far better rifle, hands down. My Stag is every bit the rifle that my 6920 is.

    Don't get hung up on "milspec". That is just a gubmint requirement that existed at a point in time in the past. LWRC, LMT, BCM, DD, etc. are leaving Colt in the dust.
    I would grab any of my Colt's or BCM's to protect myself and my family. I would first of all never own a Stag but if I did I wouldn't trust my life or more importantly my family's life to it.

    A Stag should not me mentioned in the same sentence or compared to Colt, BCM, or DD. It's like comparing a Kia to a BMW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LedHead View Post
    That depends on what brands you're dealing (FYI).
    Lol. With as much solid information as there is out there you would think that all the Stag/DPMS/RRA loving mall ninjas would finally come to grips that they bought a commercial spec toy and to stop defending it to people who actually understand what a quality system is.

    Put the XBOX controller down and read, hint read here not at TOS.

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    Yes, I am a bit concerned that colt is becoming stagnent.

    While their rifles are top-notch--that's all they have right now.

    They do have quality competition in that area from DD/BCM/LMT etc...

    It would be nice if they kept up their long tradition of supplying HANGUNS. Right now they have 1911s (not many) and SAA (collectors only)--and it seems to me that the big market right now is in handguns (Panic buying aside).

    Look at S&W--they are making a killing right now with their handgun and rifle lines. While not up to colt's standard for rifles (but close), they still have their pistol and revolver line.

    I'd give the same criticism for Glock as well--only handguns and others are catching up (S&W again coincidently). Its good to expand on your markets. So I do do think there isnot much to do in the rifle market, but I think Colt if it wanted to position itself well it would push out into other markets--they already have the "Colt Name" How about a striker fired Colt Handgun?

    I'd still like to see some work on the rifle line--300 Blackout Rifles, 6.8 SPC Rifles. They aren't that behind in the rifle world due to modularity. The 901 was a good step into the 308 world but hasn't been without its teething pains (delayed delivery--adapters where?). No company should stand still.

    I don't mean to sound like a S&W fanboy, but they surely have righted the ship from a Company standpoint, even if they haven't matched Colt Rifle Quality. They are pushing Glock in Polymer Pistols and own the Revovler Market. There is definitly oppurtunity for Colt to "innovate" even if it isn't in the Rifle Market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXBob View Post
    Yes, I am a bit concerned that colt is becoming stagnent.

    While their rifles are top-notch--that's all they have right now.

    They do have quality competition in that area from DD/BCM/LMT etc...

    It would be nice if they kept up their long tradition of supplying HANGUNS. Right now they have 1911s (not many) and SAA (collectors only)--and it seems to me that the big market right now is in handguns (Panic buying aside).

    Look at S&W--they are making a killing right now with their handgun and rifle lines. While not up to colt's standard for rifles (but close), they still have their pistol and revolver line.

    I'd give the same criticism for Glock as well--only handguns and others are catching up (S&W again coincidently). Its good to expand on your markets. So I do do think there isnot much to do in the rifle market, but I think Colt if it wanted to position itself well it would push out into other markets--they already have the "Colt Name" How about a striker fired Colt Handgun?

    I'd still like to see some work on the rifle line--300 Blackout Rifles, 6.8 SPC Rifles. They aren't that behind in the rifle world due to modularity. The 901 was a good step into the 308 world but hasn't been without its teething pains (delayed delivery--adapters where?). No company should stand still.

    I don't mean to sound like a S&W fanboy, but they surely have righted the ship from a Company standpoint, even if they haven't matched Colt Rifle Quality. They are pushing Glock in Polymer Pistols and own the Revovler Market. There is definitly oppurtunity for Colt to "innovate" even if it isn't in the Rifle Market.
    I believe in KISS and hope Colt keeps stagnant and making solid rifles.

    I have a Smith and Wesson M&P 9mm I love. Fits my hand like a glove, shoots well but last weekend the FS white dot decided to go missing between mag changes. Now at the range messing around no biggie (other then for ~$500 I would expect better) in a R/L situation... big problem.

    Yes I can send it to S&W where their excellent CS will take care of it and I'll get it back 6-8 weeks from now (with the same faulty FS with the white dot falling out issues). This is NOT just me but a VERY COMMON issue with M&P 9's apparently (Google it).

    I bring that up because that happened in less the 300 rounds and I guess it takes a bit of time to get the bugs out of something (M&P line is ~8 Years Old). With a Colt I don't expect it ever to have an issue with part(s) falling off or it not going bang since they have been refining the same thing on Battlefields all over the world for ~50 YEARS.

    Diversification is fine but not at the expense of QUALITY.

    That is why a Colt is the Gold Standard. It Just Works... all the time, every time.

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    No dispute there--however if and when (and there will be a when) the AR market dries up if you aren't diverse--things will get ugly in a hurry.

    It may not be for 100 years but eventually something will come along and replace the AR-15. At that point Colt is screwed.

    A good modern day example is Intel--top chips--but the market is changing (slowly) and we are moving to mobile chips--they are gonna be struggling. The AR may be the same way--eventually there may be market saturation or Armed Forces adopt the next whiz-bang rifle or heaven forbid they outlaw the AR-15.

    Bottom Line Colt is in business to make money--and if I were a owner/shareholder I would think there would be oppurtunities for them to make a move to make more money.

    I wouldn't change much on the AR line--its your money maker--but use some of those funds to hedge for a rainy day. That's where I see the stagnation. One trick ponies may be great but in the end they are still 1 trick ponies (no pun intended).

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    I have a Colt because it's a Colt-- I know what I'm getting and I know it will always go bang when I press the trigger. All these other companies with "innovative" product lines are mainly bells and whistles on the basic platform that was perfected by Colt. Look at what SIG has become with it's pistols-- not sure if there is any true innovation with all those guns (in all those hideous colors/trim options). And the proliferation of all these "signature" carbines. Do these guns really offer any real innovation or are they just money makers? FWIW, there was a dude running a LaRue Costa gun at a McPhee training course this past weekend-- he spent a good deal of his time trying to clear various malfunctions that plagued his gun all weekend. I don't think Colt has anything to worry about. People will always buy Colt.
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    To the OP, since you feel that they are stagnant and need to be innovative, what would you like to see? What design changes/upgraded would pass muster here at M4C?

    -different operating system?
    -different gas system?
    -different materials/tecniques used(bolt, barrel etc)?
    -different finishes?
    -different caliber?
    -completely move away from the AR design?

    Not many of the above are approved of by the members here; at least viewed with some skepticism.

    The supposed problem has been stated, what are the proposed solutions/changes people would like to see?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic1 View Post
    To the OP, since you feel that they are stagnant and need to be innovative, what would you like to see? What design changes/upgraded would pass muster here at M4C?

    -different operating system?
    -different gas system?
    -different materials/tecniques used(bolt, barrel etc)?
    -different finishes?
    -different caliber?
    -completely move away from the AR design?

    Not many of the above are approved of by the members here; at least viewed with some skepticism.

    The supposed problem has been stated, what are the proposed solutions/changes people would like to see?
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    I bought a Colt LE 6920 SOCOM II last month before the idiocy kicked off, and I am very pleased with the rifle. My only modification a Geissele Automatics SD3G trigger.

    I know the Colt is not cutting edge, or tarted up with the latest styling and cosmetic nonsense. That's fine, I got a Colt because my favorite issue rifles while I was in the USMC were Colts. My last issue rifle was an FN, and I found it to be rougher than the Colts in overall machining and it never quite shot as well for me as the Colts. I bought the Colt because for the most part with rare exceptions I know they freakin' work.

    I have another franken' AR that I also enjoy but from a functional reliability standpoint it is no Colt.

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