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    How a stock feels or fits your physical dimensions is up to the individual. So are certain features like padded or unpadded, storage requirements, tightness in relation to receiver extension diameter, etc. Also the material used and how it holds up in real world application. Here's a link to an interesting read on several stocks subjected to destructive testing. Not laboratory/scientific but interesting nonetheless.

    http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gears...ugh-talk-goes/

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    Inkslinger, salesman will say anything to sell their product.
    Not necessarily true. If you look through the product descriptions objectively, they actually layout their features fairly well for the most part. It's up to you to decide which of these stocks have the necessary features to address whatever short-comings you have come to find on the standard ones. Stocks are very personal. Some choose this stock for X reasons and others chose that stock for Y reasons. Some, while in the minority, find that theyre ok with the standard M4 stock. Bottomline is, you have to decide what it is that you really need and it's up to you to sift through the different features and then decide which stock addresses your needs best.
    Personally, Ive dabbled with both the CTR and the Imod.
    My first AR was a bottomfeeder with a commercial CAR stock that rattled worse than a commercial stock on a milspec tube so I got a CTR mainly friction lock . Later, the more I shot it, I discovered that I actually really liked traction area profile. I also found the cheekweld to be a good improvement despite it's slim profile. I later switched to a milspec kit and thought I was done. After playing with a friend's SBR with an Emod, then, his bother's with an Imod, I decided to give it a go. I liked the much better cheekweld. It spoils you after a while. Another feature I liked was the wider traction area. I found it to be more forgiving in certain positions than my CTR.
    In the end, though, I reverted back to the CTR. The cheekweld is good enough for me but the biggest reason was the traction area. While less forgiving, the profile fits me just right, for the way I shoot. If I could start over, knowing what I know now about the 2, I'd pick the moe. Cheaper and the firction lock is pretty useless on a good milspec tube.
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    I've used the M4 and SOPMOD quite a bit and those are my two favorites.

    I don't have any problems running a regular M4 stock. They do what they do and I really don't have any complaints when running the gun at speed, I may even do better with it because the LOP is a tad shorter and there's no rubber butt pad to snag my shirt when shouldering the gun when slung. I wish it had a QD socket for easier sling removal but no QDs also eliminates a couple of potential failure points.

    I really like the feel of a SOPMOD, sometimes I slam my jaw when shouldering the gun in a hurry, the wide cheek-weld helps soften the hit. I also like where the QD swivels are on the SOPMOD. The extra weight of it helps to balance my carbine. I run my sling plugged into the outside of the stock, it allows me to switch shoulders without dropping my left shoulder out of the sling. I do occasionally fumble a presentation when the rubber butt pad catches on my shirt, but the rubber pad does help when shooting roll-over prone. It gives it some traction when I pull the stock back into my bicep.

    The QD sockets on the CTR don't allow my swivels to lay right, the sockets are too close to the tube. I've used the VLTOR EMOD and it was just a little too big for me and I didn't like the adjustment lever, it felt flimsy.

    So all-in-all, the regular M4 stock is more than fine for CQ type shooting but I thing a bigger stock is a little better for taking lower percentage shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by higgens View Post
    Does a rubber buttpad help or hinder performance?
    This really depends on preference too. Both work. My first ARs were LMT lowers with the SOPMOD stock and BCM uppers on top. My black SOPMODs all have the rubber butt pad, and I like it. Feels more planted to me and keeps my rifle more steady during long shooting strings. Recently I got some more SOPMOD stocks made by B5 Systems and the OD Green ones don't have the rubber butt plate. They have a slick hard plastic butt plate and I don't care for it. It allows the rifle to move around more and it distracts some of my attention to make sure I shoulder it just right and keep it planted. I can be more cavalier when shooting from unusual positions or shifting positions with the rubber backed stock.

    Other people dislike the rubber because it hangs up on their clothes or gear more.

    The only way for YOU to get an accurate answer to this question is to try out both for yourself. Preferably at a range with live ammo. Watch your groups with each and decide which one you like the feel of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by higgens View Post
    ...isn't a stock a stock?
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    Rubber at the back helps it stay put better - sling mounts are an obvious benefit - better cheekweld is often another benefit that you have to feel to decide if it's worth it to you, but the others are definite benefits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inkslinger View Post
    I think what you're looking for is called a "product description".
    It sounds to me like what he's looking for are peoples opinions.

    Recently, I was looking at Eotechs. There are a lot of variations. Most retailers pages cut and paste the boilerplate sales pitch, and do not describe the differences between different models that may otherwise look the same. It was painful trying to make sense of it all.

    To answer the original question, in my opinion, the differences are:

    -Cheek weld
    -Weight
    -Sling options
    -Storage
    -'Rattle', or fit to the receiver extension

    Not necessarily in that order.

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    Tangible benefits beyond M4 Milspec Stock?

    I'll preface this by saying I own several SOPMOD style stocks, and several standard stocks.

    Are you a midget? Chances are that as much if not more of your face will wind up on the receiver extension as it will on the stock. The sloping "superior" cheek weld of the SOPMOD matches up well with my face, and I like the option of storage. But the CTR/MOE/GI stock fits me just as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by higgens View Post
    Does a rubber buttpad help or hinder performance?
    Helps keep it planted in your pocket if you're wearing a uniform and/or body armor. Also, the sloped cheek weld helps give consistent placement for use with optics.

    I use an STR and I also use the sling swivel cup for my VTAC padded sling.
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