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    Quote Originally Posted by Litpipe View Post
    Hmac...lets be clear. If he is sbr'ing a lower that has already been manufactured(which he is) then he would also need the s/n on the barrel. It is a removable part.
    No.

    I find your assertions confusing. On a registered SBR, you can put any upper, any barrel length you want on the lower receiver it as long as you retain control of the parts necessary to return it to its registered configuration and as long as the engraving requirements are met as I described above.
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    Re: Engraving disaster.

    Im not trying to be difficult but I need you to explain that to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Litpipe View Post
    SHIVAN...thanks for cleaning it up. We wouldn't want adults feelings getting hurt.
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    Re: Engraving disaster.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hmac View Post
    No.

    I find your assertions confusing. On a registered SBR, you can put any upper, any barrel length you want on the lower receiver it as long as you retain control of the parts necessary to return it to its registered configuration and as long as the engraving requirements are met as I described above.
    The firearm as he originaly purchased it was not an sbr. He has done the paper, paid the tax and made it an sbr. He is now the manufacturer of that sbr, which is why he has to put his info on it.

    The lower is registered as the sbr. Not the upper or barrel. The lower receiver is where the s/n, which is on file as an sbr, is located.

    From now on, no matter what upper is attached, the lower is registered as an sbr. There is no registered configuration. If he engraves the lower he could have 20 uppers with 10" barrels and attach them at any time.
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    Who did you take it to that they ****ed it up twice?

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    Yes you can legally engrave the upper, barrel, or lower when sbring an ar-15. But it's full retard to engrave anything besides the lower.

    Never go full retard.

    OP: Ident is a site sponsor here. They do professional laser engraving and specialize in NFA engraving. I used them to engrave underneath the receiver by the trigger. You don't know it's there unless you go looking for it. As long as it isn't covered up (can be seen without removing parts), it's fine.

    If you're concerned, have Ident engrave near the trigger, then bondo over the old crap that's typo'd.

    Little-known note, you can actually sell your treasury NFA stamp for ~$50 to stamp collectors, if you want to start all over again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Litpipe View Post
    Im not trying to be difficult but I need you to explain that to me.
    If the stripped lower you bought is also engraved with your name, city, state, along with the mfgr's engraving and is registered as an SBR, you can put any upper or any barrel length on it that you want as long as you either notify NFA Branch of a permanent change, or retain the original barrel or upper if it's a temporary change. That's why it doesn't make sense to engrave the barrel or upper, because that info would have to be on ALL of your uppers. The caliber is already engraved on the barrel from the mfgr. Serial number, model number, original mfgr and their city/state is already on the lower. No further engraving is needed other than your name/city/state. Barrel already has its caliber marked on it. It doesn't need a serial number.

    As to registered configuration, go check your Form 1. It's on that. Yes, as I said, you can put any upper you want on it, but you must be able to return it to the barrel length and caliber that's on your Form 1 unless you notify NFA Branch of a permanent change.

    You're also incorrect about its status. If you put a 16+ inch barrel on it, it's no longer an SBR and not under the purview of the NFA. It remains in the NFA database unless you request it be removed, but if you want to take it out of state without filling out a 5320.20, for example, or maybe loan it to a friend, you can just put a 16 inch upper on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Litpipe View Post
    The firearm as he originaly purchased it was not an sbr. He has done the paper, paid the tax and made it an sbr. He is now the manufacturer of that sbr, which is why he has to put his info on it.

    The lower is registered as the sbr. Not the upper or barrel. The lower receiver is where the s/n, which is on file as an sbr, is located.

    From now on, no matter what upper is attached, the lower is registered as an sbr. There is no registered configuration. If he engraves the lower he could have 20 uppers with 10" barrels and attach them at any time.
    Regardless of where he engraves it the lower sn is registered as an sbr. It is not mandatory that the lower receiver be engraved with his manufacturer compliant info. HMAC is correct, although he clearly does not require the endorsement. There are several threads on this site alone which attempt to explain the convoluted mess that is the atf guidelines in this matter. It come down to requests for information to the atf on explaining their guidelines. If you dont want to search too hard then google " where to engrave ar sbr" and look for an atf letter over on silencer talk that will, at the very least, cause you to back up and rethink your position.
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    Re: Engraving disaster.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smash View Post
    There is a lot of people speaking on a subject they are not spun up on.

    If you haven't at least read the engraving procedures for NFA paperwork your expertise is probably not warranted here.
    They are laughing at us while we jump through hoops to stay compliant. When will this nonsense stop? There are more of us than there are of them, and if we could just unite and stand together, this would end. What purpose does engraving your sbr lower really serve? Think about it, all you guys who think because you jump through whatever hoop they throw at you, you're doing the right thing...nonsense.

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    Re: Engraving disaster.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hmac View Post
    If the stripped lower you bought is also engraved with your name, city, state, along with the mfgr's engraving, you can put any upper or any barrel length on it that you want as long as you either notify NFA Branch of a permanent change, or retain the original barrel or upper if it's a temporary change. No further engraving is needed. Barrel already has its caliber marked on it. It doesn't need a serial number.
    You have completely confused me. Its like you are trying to tell me something, I know it.

    What this calls for is a good cold beer and a conversation. Anyway...good luck op.
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