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    Technically, an SBR is a description, rather than something specific. I guess by that definition, any part of it can have the serial number if permanent and conspicuous. However, if the serial is on the upper, and another <16" upper is used on that lower, I would assume this is illegal, but that upper could be used on other lowers.

    Just what I understand from having read more, but I won't be breaking with convention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    Technically, an SBR is a description, rather than something specific. I guess by that definition, any part of it can have the serial number if permanent and conspicuous. However, if the serial is on the upper, and another <16" upper is used on that lower, I would assume this is illegal, but that upper could be used on other lowers.

    Just what I understand from having read more, but I won't be breaking with convention.
    Why would there ever be a serial number on the upper? There's already one on the lower. The serial number is assigned by the original manufacturer of the lower. No need to bother with putting it anywhere else. If you're SBR'ing a lower, all you need to add is engraving your name/city/state on the lower, upper, or barrel. Nothing else. I hate to channel Iraqgunz, but this whole process is being way overthought here.

    An SBR is very specific, not just a description. It's a legal category of firearm with its own set of rules.

    Have you guys actually read the NFA Handbook? There appears to be a significant level of ... uh ... misimpression about the process here.
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    Engraving disaster.

    Quote Originally Posted by Litpipe View Post
    The firearm as he originaly purchased it was not an sbr. He has done the paper, paid the tax and made it an sbr. He is now the manufacturer of that sbr, which is why he has to put his info on it.

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    I don't know if you are still confused, but I think part of it is terminology. In this paragraph you use the term 'manufacturer'. A weapon is only manufactured once. A Form 1 MAKES the lower an NFA item.

    Maker does not equal manufacturer.

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    In my opinion SBR engraving is meaningless. The weapon will NEVER be tracked by this nonsense marking.

    I think the tardfusion surrounding the engraving fixation stems from a F1 where you're actually Manufacturing a new weapon or silencer. At that point the engraving requirements make sense.

    For SBRing an existing lower? Only goobers on gun forums give a crap about that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    For SBRing an existing lower? Only goobers on gun forums give a crap about that...
    Although the chances of ever meeting a real live ATF agent in the flesh are vanishingly small, some of us goobers still don't mind spending $40 for engraving just to make a passing attempt at adhering to the law.

    You're right though, the chances of getting caught/fined/weapon confiscated are low and from a practical standpoint it's likely safe to ignore the law.

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    How hard is it for people to do just a little reading before muddying the waters even more?



    ) On the Frame or Receiver the Serial number;
    2) on the frame, receiver, or barrel the following additional information;
    A)The model;
    B)The caliber or gage;
    C)Your name or name of the Trust in the case of a Trust (no abbreviations are permitted for the Trust name);
    D)The city and state (you can abbreviate the state with the official 2 digit state code)



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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    In my opinion SBR engraving is meaningless. The weapon will NEVER be tracked by this nonsense marking.

    I think the tardfusion surrounding the engraving fixation stems from a F1 where you're actually Manufacturing a new weapon or silencer. At that point the engraving requirements make sense.

    For SBRing an existing lower? Only goobers on gun forums give a crap about that...
    In the ATF's opinion SBR engraving is the law. That said, I care that what is printed on my tax-stamped form 1 accurately reflects what is engraved on my lower. Encouraging people to do otherwise is irresponsible.

    Quote Originally Posted by gun71530 View Post
    Who did you take it to that they ****ed it up twice?
    There were two. Reference post #1 and post #5.

    I won't list any names because anyone can make an honest mistake, especially with a strange name like my city.
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    If you decide to fill the engraving and want something more durable than Bondo, you could use Dev-Con.

    http://www.devcon.com/products/produ...m%20Putty%20(F)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccrn_csc View Post
    I don't know if you are still confused, but I think part of it is terminology. In this paragraph you use the term 'manufacturer'. A weapon is only manufactured once. A Form 1 MAKES the lower an NFA item.

    Maker does not equal manufacturer.
    No...he has manufactured a SBR. Perhaps he "remanufactured" it if you like that better. But per the ATF, he is now the manufacturer of that firearm as an SBR, and as such must have it engraved to reflect that fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epete View Post
    If you decide to fill the engraving and want something more durable than Bondo, you could use Dev-Con.

    http://www.devcon.com/products/produ...m%20Putty%20(F)
    Thanks, but I've already got bondo on the way. That devcon aluminum putty doesn't appear to come in small batches anyway.
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