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LMGAS. Lightweight Magazine fed Gas operated Automatic Shoulder fired weapon. Sorry had to throw in a boot camp dity. It's amazing the stuff you remember.
Here's one I've heard repeatedly: "It's the civilian legal version of the M16."
Actually, when California first banned so-called Assault Weapons in 1989, this is exactly what happened. The Colt AR-15 was specifically named, but others were not. I had a PWA lower which I tried to register only to have them send it back with a letter stating it did not need to be registered. Pretty stupid.
They did later see where the f'd up and expanded the list before instituting the "feature" system that so many of us are familiar with. So, technically, California has two AW bans. One which calls out many firearms by specific make and/or model, and the "feature" system which tried to catch all the ones that they missed the first time around.
I do not really feel comfortable saying that the m-16 is a member of the ar-15 family, I think of it the other way around that the ar-15 is in the family of the m-16, the m-16 essentially is the same firearm as the ar-15 with the difference being in the bcg and in the auto sear and trigger group. I would'nt really pair them together though. If stoners design was not picked up by the military where do you think the ar-15 would be today?
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Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
F*CK MEXICO. Come get your illegals and drug smugglers. Maybe Mexico should register f*cking Mexicans.
I've seen this question before.
Usually what happens is people are unable to quantitatively define what makes a gun an AR15 so they post links that do not answer the question or make snide comments.
It seems that if you know even a little bit about the platform you can make the call yourself by applying a little knowledge and good sense, I guess.
Well, what I consider an AR-15 are rifles that are based off Stoner's design that are semi automatic.
From what I have read, the M-16/ M4, are select fire variants of the AR. It seems that people always say its the other way around. (From what I have read, and seen in documentaries, the AR was a civilian gun before the military finally made it the M-16). Please correct me if I am wrong.
It seems that the media likes to say "The AR-15, a variant of the M-16 military assault machine gun rifle..."
When everything came from the AR. It is a semi auto, shoulder fired, "DI" gas system, magazine fed, rifle chambered in 5.56mm.
While it's plain enough what the gun banners want right now is to be rid of those Evil Black Rifles, it isn't hard to see how they got their feet all tangled up in trying to define what they want to ban.
Please, don't mistake this for sympathy for the sonsabitches, but I do understand their confusion. When gun knowledgeable people here have to wrestle with a definition, how much harder must it be for people who know nothing about guns except that they don't like them?
Moon
So at what point when you move away from semi-auto, shoulder fired, DI, magazine fed, and 5.56 does it cease being an AR-15?
An AR-pistol is not shoulder fired, many systems don't use DI, some like the Ares Shrike aren't even magazine fed, and many use calibers like 300 AAC, 5.45, 6.8, etc.
You have me there. That is just how I think of them.
I guess I would call the piston guns AR variants. While to me, the rifle I described, is THE AR-15.
But I have no idea really. I mostly call rifles by their name. I call guns AR's when they are what I described.
The rest are in their own category to me. Like I would say "AR chambered for 300 AAC, 6.8, etc."
Or "gas piston gun modeled from the original AR design."
Maybe we should ask Feinstein, since she is the expert on this matter.![]()
Last edited by Zane1844; 01-25-13 at 12:00.
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