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    Re: Noob that has read so much I'm lost...Colt and Sig

    Actually that list is based off of Colt rifles/specs....everyone else strives to follow them, not the other way around.

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    Which in turn is based on what good old Uncle Sam wanted way back when.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Vickers View Post
    Welcome to the AR world !! You have probably found out by now why it is the most popular rifle in America- it combines a lot of features that no other rifle has

    Now definately get quality training - sooner rather than later. You cannot imagine right now the benefits this will have for you down the road in your ability to effectively use your weapons and accessorize them

    Best of luck

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    OP,

    Alot of white noise in this thread. Mr. Vickers' post is not.

    From one guy with a little experience I cannot tell you how much money I spent on this do dad and that turbo charged accessory. All before any real training or just spending time at the range figuring out what works best for me personally.

    Trust me if you take classes FIRST you will be far far ahead in your knowledge of what setups (with weapon and support gear) work for you. Not too mention.....classes are just my nirvana time. Not many other things I would rather be doing.

    AR' s can be mass confusion when first getting into them. Take your time with gear. Go to classes and ask around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaxman7 View Post
    OP,

    Alot of white noise in this thread. Mr. Vickers' post is not.

    From one guy with a little experience I cannot tell you how much money I spent on this do dad and that turbo charged accessory. All before any real training or just spending time at the range figuring out what works best for me personally.

    Trust me if you take classes FIRST you will be far far ahead in your knowledge of what setups (with weapon and support gear) work for you. Not too mention.....classes are just my nirvana time. Not many other things I would rather be doing.

    AR' s can be mass confusion when first getting into them. Take your time with gear. Go to classes and ask around.

    - Jax
    Can't say it better than this! Shoot, Train and observe. You'll see what works and what doesn't. You'll spend some cash, but think about the box of cool stuff you will accumulate

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    Quote Originally Posted by .46caliber View Post
    Nice little arsenal there. You should post some pics.
    the Sig Sauer RM400-16B-EC-FDE is at my office will get a pic next week









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    If I were a betting man, I'd wager a couple bucks that there will be no AWB at this time; that's barring B. Hussein pulling some rabbits out of his hat, or some other disaster. The D's don't want to lose the Senate.

    That said, the OP is ahead of the game with some great rifles and nine good magazines, and hopefully some ammo. He stole the SIGs in the current market.
    This should leave him some time for training and reflection; in the current hellfire craziness to get what guns are available, there isn't time for either for those out there shopping.
    Enjoy your new guns and learn to use them.
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    Keep the Colt and 1 Sig. Sell the other one while the prices are still high. The AWB is not going to amount to anything.

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    Here's an accurate comparison:

    Both have an F marked front sight base.

    Both have M4 feed ramps cut before anodizing.

    Both have 1:7 rifling.

    Both have chromed chamber and bores.

    Both have equal staking on the gas key and castle nut.

    Colt has an M16 bolt carrier.
    Sig has an enhanced AR15 bolt carrier.

    Colt bolt is MP marked.
    Sig bolt is not MP marked although Sig states their supplier MP tests all bolts, whether they are marked or not. *

    Colt comes with an H buffer.
    Sig comes with a standard carbine buffer.

    Colt barrel is MP marked.
    Sig barrel is not MP marked and Sig could not state if their barrel is MP tested. *

    Colt barrel is HP tested.
    Sig states all of their barrels are HP tested, whether or not marked. *

    Colt barrel is button rifled.
    Sig states their M400 barrel is cold hammer forged and made of chrome moly vanadium meeting mil-spec. *

    Colt has a standard mag release.
    Sig has an ambi mag release.

    Sig has a upper/lower tightening device in the lower, the Colt does not.

    Sig has built-in sling point attachments in the lower, the Colt does not.

    Sig has an extractor support in the barrel extension, Colt does not.

    Sig has 6-position mil-spec diameter buffer tube, Colt has 4-position mil-spec tube.

    Both have equally bad single stage triggers.

    Out of the box, the Sig had no blemishes or marks and was cosmetically perfect, if that is important to you. The Colt had various nicks and dings from careless assembly, most notably around the trigger guard where the rear pin was installed, but also on the delta ring and on various spots on the upper receiver. **

    The Sig upper/lower fit is tight. There is no play whatsoever - either in the vertical or horizontal. The pins can be pushed out with your fingers. There is slop in the Colt that can be fixed substantially with an Accuwedge.

    Both consistently eject to the 3:45 position with everything from cheap PMC Bronze and UMC ammo to NATO M193 and M855.

    I can discern no practical difference in accuracy.

    Both have been 100% reliable when using quality ammo.

    Equal warranties.

    *I spoke to Sig Sauer directly to determine this information. With patience, and insisting on speaking to folks who can answer these questions with authority, they will speak to you about the parts used on their guns – although they will not tell you who makes their components.

    ** I bought a 2nd Colt LE6920 which was cosmetically perfect. Whoever assembled my SP6920 must not have touched my newest rifle.

    Here's a comparison of BCGs, and pic of Sig castle nut staking:






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    Quote Originally Posted by kcara View Post
    Keep the Colt and 1 Sig. Sell the other one while the prices are still high. The AWB is not going to amount to anything.
    I agree. I sold my M400 to a friend a few weeks before Newtown for $865. He sold it weekend-before-last at a gunshow for $1,700. That sort of nutiness won't last long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowland_P View Post
    Here's an accurate comparison:

    Both have an F marked front sight base.

    Both have M4 feed ramps cut before anodizing.

    Both have 1:7 rifling.

    Both have chromed chamber and bores.

    Both have equal staking on the gas key and castle nut.

    Colt has an M16 bolt carrier.
    Sig has an enhanced AR15 bolt carrier.

    Colt bolt is MP marked.
    Sig bolt is not MP marked although Sig states their supplier MP tests all bolts, whether they are marked or not. *

    Colt comes with an H buffer.
    Sig comes with a standard carbine buffer.

    Colt barrel is MP marked.
    Sig barrel is not MP marked and Sig could not state if their barrel is MP tested. *

    Colt barrel is HP tested.
    Sig states all of their barrels are HP tested, whether or not marked. *

    Colt barrel is button rifled.
    Sig states their M400 barrel is cold hammer forged and made of chrome moly vanadium meeting mil-spec. *

    Colt has a standard mag release.
    Sig has an ambi mag release.

    Sig has a upper/lower tightening device in the lower, the Colt does not.

    Sig has built-in sling point attachments in the lower, the Colt does not.

    Sig has an extractor support in the barrel extension, Colt does not.

    Sig has 6-position mil-spec diameter buffer tube, Colt has 4-position mil-spec tube.

    Both have equally bad single stage triggers.

    Out of the box, the Sig had no blemishes or marks and was cosmetically perfect, if that is important to you. The Colt had various nicks and dings from careless assembly, most notably around the trigger guard where the rear pin was installed, but also on the delta ring and on various spots on the upper receiver. **

    The Sig upper/lower fit is tight. There is no play whatsoever - either in the vertical or horizontal. The pins can be pushed out with your fingers. There is slop in the Colt that can be fixed substantially with an Accuwedge.

    Both consistently eject to the 3:45 position with everything from cheap PMC Bronze and UMC ammo to NATO M193 and M855.

    I can discern no practical difference in accuracy.

    Both have been 100% reliable when using quality ammo.

    Equal warranties.

    *I spoke to Sig Sauer directly to determine this information. With patience, and insisting on speaking to folks who can answer these questions with authority, they will speak to you about the parts used on their guns – although they will not tell you who makes their components.

    ** I bought a 2nd Colt LE6920 which was cosmetically perfect. Whoever assembled my SP6920 must not have touched my newest rifle.

    Here's a comparison of BCGs, and pic of Sig castle nut staking:





    Very informative.
    "Bones Heal, Chics Dig Scars, Pain Goes Away"

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