Bad Guy In Car Question

[okie john]

Had an interesting situation arise near my ex-wife's house a few days ago. A neighbor goes out to her garage to get in her car and drive to work. She sees a masked man in her car. She runs back inside and gets her husband, who goes into the garage and yells at the bad guy to leave. Bad guy points a pistol at him. Husband withdraws and calls 911, bad guy flees.

Range was <10m. Barriers would probably include windshield glass, the door post, and the door itself. Also, a bad guy with a mask and a handgun might also have body armor.

Thinking this one through, I realize that I would have pied that corner with my carry gun, a G17 loaded with 124-grain ammo from Doc's list, and that the only visible target would have been the head/neck because everything else would have been behind stuff that would stop a handgun bullet. I also realized that a long gun makes a lot more sense.

Aside from an M-240 loaded with 4:1 link, what are your thoughts on long guns and loads for this? 870 and slugs? AR and barrier-blind loads?

I also assume the car would have been a total loss if shooting started.


Okie John

[Troy9749]

I was watching something on Military Channel or History, can't remember which, and in a training seminar they were firing a 556 SBR from the passenger seat through the winshield and putting rounds on target. They didn't specify load that I can recall.

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[eightmillimeter]

This is the exact same thing ammo companies are demo-ing for police departments all over the country. Every time the good quality handgun rounds and bonded rifle rounds come out on top (when glass is involved). Some 12 gauge slugs disintegrate going through windshields so stick with buckshot or good rifle ammo.

[thopkins22]

9mm would(unless it hit the side impact bars) zip right on through the car door...possibly with less deflection than through the windshield.

Depends on the angle though...a steeper angle working in your favor.

[Failure2Stop]

9mm would(unless it hit the side impact bars) zip right on through the car door...possibly with less deflection than through the windshield.

Depends on the angle though...a steeper angle working in your favor.

This has been my experience.

[Voodoo_Man]

This has been my experience.

+1

I have seen shot up doors, vehicle and home, as well as windshields and windows, in class and on the street.

9mm is generally overkill for a car door and will go through a windshield with no issue, of course depends on volume of fire.

Do not worry about the gear, when/if the timd comes think more on trigger control than what ammo you have.

[DocGKR]

Brenneke 1 oz slugs and Federal (PB127 DPRS) Truball Deep Penetrator 1 oz slugs have no problem with car windows. The new Federal #1 buckshot, 15 pellet, "Flight Control" load (LE132-1B), also works acceptably through windshields.

A good personal defense rifle, like an AR15, would also work well--particularly when loaded with barrier blind ammo.

If I only had a handgun in that situation and the criminal threatened me with a firearm, I'd likely use my handgun to save my life--keep pressing the trigger with the sights aligned on the target until the life threatening situation is resolved...

[tpd223]

We have shot a number of bad guys who were in cars, using 124gr +P Gold Dot and Ranger-T, no problems with getting into a car effectively.

[kh86]

Wow... Fail.

Once she runs back in she should have locked the door behind her, called the cops and waited for the cops with her and her husband armed in the house ready to respond to an invasion. Pretty clean cut when you shoot someone who breaks into your house while on the phone with 911.

Pretty dumb to walk back outside into a situation where you know an individual is armed. "Never get into a gunfight if you can avoid it."

Lastly, a bit of humor. "Near my Ex-wife's house," yeah... what were you at the time of this incident and do you have anyone who can vouch?

[Guns-up.50]

Wow... Fail.

Once she runs back in she should have locked the door behind her, called the cops and waited for the cops with her and her husband armed in the house ready to respond to an invasion. Pretty clean cut when you shoot someone who breaks into your house while on the phone with 911.

Pretty dumb to walk back outside into a situation where you know an individual is armed. "Never get into a gunfight if you can avoid it."

I agree
but in the heat of the moment ol boy probably wasn't thinking like that.