#1 Buck vs. 00 Buck

[481]

MY HD guns is a Mossberg 590A1, and I love it. However, I read that #1 Buck has a ballistic advantage over 00 because of the increased cross section of the additional pellets in the #1 shells. I'm no expert on ballistics for SG's so I'd wonder if anyone has some data or gellatin tests between the two. Thanks, djd

Here are some gelatin tests for 00 Buck-

http://le.atk.com/downloads/catalogs..._Data_Book.pdf

Penetration shouldn't be too much less from #1 than from 00 Buck

Accordingly, the MacPherson, Schwartz, and Peters bullet penetration models give the following results:

-00 Buck @ 1100 fps should penetrate to 19.98" (MacPherson), 19.36" (Schwartz), 19.57" (Peters) in gelatin for an average penetration estimate of ~19.64"

-#1 Buck @ 1100 fps should penetrate to 17.88" (MacPherson), 17.96" (Schwartz), 18.15" (Peters) in gelatin for an average penetration estimate of ~17.99"

Given the engineering data , I'd say that both options are likely to be very similar in their performance.

[RCI1911]

Let me know if you find any. I've been looking and even checked with my LGS who has a lot of other "LE Restricted" items. No dice.

I'm a civi and bought it from GT Distributors. Catch is I ordered in clear back in early November and they don't think that it will be in till April.

[DarrinD2]

Thanks 481!

[BuckskinJoe]

Thanks to DocGKR and everyone else for the info so far. Any opinions on Federal #1 Magnum? I'm stuck with a couple ammo cans of it, and the recoil doesn't bother me so far. I guess it's time to swap out my Federal low recoil 00 buck in/on my SG with the "Flight Control" #1?

Back in 1990-1991, during the Kuwait invasion, Lt. Gen. Thomas Kelley did nightly press briefings at the Pentagon. In one I recall vividly, he was showing videos of various massive destruction being thrown at the Iraqi forces. He then went on to describe B-52 strikes on mobile SCUD missiles.

A reporter raised his hand and asked something to the effect, "Now, General, isn't that like using a sledgehammer to kill a fly?"

Without hesitation, General Kelly shot back, "In my own personal opinion, that is a delightful way to kill a fly." He immediately pointed at another reporter and said, "Next question."

3" number 1 buck contains twenty-four 0.30" projectiles, and the last thing one will ever remember in a gunfight is recoil. I agree with General Kelley: a sledgehammer is an excellent choice for killing a "fly."

[grendelbane]

Is the Federal #1 buck actually .30"? I ask this because I once dissected a Federal #000 8 pellet load, which would nominally be .36", and it was slightly smaller, more like .343".

Not that it really matters, as long as it actually penetrates like the tests show. I am sure it is still effective, but I vaguely remember some one stating it was <.30".

It is a shame that buckshot is not designated by its diameter, that would make life a lot simpler.

[Shao]

Is the Federal #1 buck actually .30"? I ask this because I once dissected a Federal #000 8 pellet load, which would nominally be .36", and it was slightly smaller, more like .343".

Not that it really matters, as long as it actually penetrates like the tests show. I am sure it is still effective, but I vaguely remember some one stating it was <.30".

It is a shame that buckshot is not designated by its diameter, that would make life a lot simpler.

[plouffedaddy]

Docs tests are way more sceintifically valid but I tested the Federal FC #1 load in the clear ballistics gel block. Video below:

Federal Gel Test HD Video Link

[ASH556]

I still cannot find any of the #1. I sent an email to GT distributors after I sat on hold for 35 min. on the phone and then got hung up on. I did, however, find a box of the Flite Control 00 @ my LGS last night and picked it up. It replaced the Remington Low Recoil 00 in my M1. I feel slightly better now, but still would like to find the #1 load.

How does the 00 load perform?

[Todd.K]

3" number 1 buck contains twenty-four 0.30" projectiles, and the last thing one will ever remember in a gunfight is recoil. I agree with General Kelley: a sledgehammer is an excellent choice for killing a "fly."

Funny story, but a fly doesn't shoot back. If you missed the fly with your first swing a fly swatter would provide a quicker follow up. It would also provide plenty of terminal performance.

[BuckskinJoe]

Funny story, but a fly doesn't shoot back. If you missed the fly with your first swing a fly swatter would provide a quicker follow up. It would also provide plenty of terminal performance.

My follow-up shots with 3" number 1 buck are incredibly fast: my wife has her 11-87 loaded with the same rounds!

Mister T said it well: "I pity the fool."