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Whatever the cause of delay, it's turned into a fiasco.
Only one that I know of, Larue. Hell you can still preorder the predatobr from their site and its still a preorder only item. If it was available, id be all over that one.LWRC did not require any deposit on the IC preorder. The dealers made that decision. Thats why there are plenty of guys who have shelled out the full amount and plenty who only put down 250 bucks.
No doubt though that LWRC sure screwed the pooch on delivery dates MULTIPLE times.
And on the brighter side, looks like saker's are making it out now. Hope the 7.62 doesnt take long
Last edited by ldub5818; 02-28-13 at 00:22.
I can corroborate. Yes, pallets shipping. Lots and lots of pallets. Yes, foreign contract.It would be a lot easier to take your rationalizations seriously if you could corroborate the "pallets" shipping and the "foreign contract."
Frankly, a lot of you are talking out of your asses about LWRC and their 6.8mm PSD carbine (I have no knowledge concerning delays to the M6IC; I'm waiting on one too from my local dealer). There were several very specific reasons that caliber was selected by that customer. To say that the gun, caliber, and magazine package is untested is flat out BS. It has been extensively tested by LWRC and its intended end user. The ammunition has been thoroughly tested in this configuration. Is it still a niche caliber when a foreign military customer adopts it across the board and buys millions and millions of rounds? Maybe to you, but not so much to them. The new 6.8mm magazine produced by Magpul has been extensively tested by Magpul, LWRC, and its intended end user. Just because someone didn't bother to let this forum (or any other public venues) know about the testing is irrelevant. It occurred and has been ongoing for the last 3 years or so. I have been present for some of it and even helped out at one of the test fire demos for the customer.
Further, I am a moderator over on their forum and while my day job keeps me from contributing as much as I'd like, the moderators do not censor or ban members who talk negatively about LWRC's products. Only those who do not do so in a constructive and/or professional manner.
I could care less whether you're a piston or DI guy. I own many of both and like them all for different reasons and uses. I would expect any forum composed of gun owners and professional end users to treat a modern, esteemed firearm manufacturer with more respect and not propagate hearsay and rumor. If you don't feel they are respected then that is your opinion and you are entitled to it, but they fact remains that they are shipping thousands of guns a month to US DOD, Federal agencies, domestic LE, commercial, and foreign customers with very, very few issues. The vocal minority that appear on the internet notwithstanding, those few may have actual, legitimate, and/or even serious issues with their guns, but they are very few and far between.
Please continue with your previously scheduled LWRC bitch-fest...
Thanks,
Stephen
Last edited by Stephen_H; 02-28-13 at 14:39. Reason: Grammer and spelling
Thanks, Stephen. Every company has things that can be criticized, but on this forum, LWRC can't get a fair shake. Everything is speculation, conjecture, and outright lies. It's pretty insane.
The honesty and corroboration is much appreciated.
Stephen hit the nail on the head.
Yes I too am a moderator and admin on the LW forums, also I am contracted out as the Armorer Instructor for LWRCI.
I just spent the past two days teaching the first course of 2013 at the factory. Are they shipping a ton of six8's? They sure are. That is not all that they are shipping. The Saudi guns are their own specific cell of production that has nothing to do really with the other production. In fact the parts and sub assemblies have been set aside in storage for most of the past year until all parties signed off. So now that they are running the six8's, they aren't putting a drain on commercial production.
Delivery has officially started, and LWRC has personel in country now training the client.
Production is still busy producing rifles and carbines, filling orders every week. Totally seperate lines of production between commercial and gov sales, and that specific contract. In fact one SWAT team in my class took receipt of their new shorties this week, all the while more six8's are rolling out at the same time as pallets of REPRs, SPR's, and others.
In regards to the IC, we are all waiting for it to come on line. It is a very different platform and it requires some special tooling to produce. Taking it to mass production has taken longer than hoped for.
I find is perturbing that people wave the flag over the issue of a foriegn sale. This foreign sale is bigger than LWRCI. Its so freakin big that its the biggest export the ATF and DoS have ever handled (outside of FMS sales). This is three monstrous company's (ATK, MagPul, and LWRCI) working together to make something really cool happen.
This has enabled LWRC to increase production capabilities and bring more capabilities in house. In the near to intermediate term, this will decrease production times.
"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto
Stephen H., Borebrush:
54 weeks and counting.
This is true. Unfortunately, it is the moderators who define "constructive" and "professional manner". From what I've seen, participants who try to use the LWRC forum to get regular updates on the status of the IC, when LWRC is unresponsive, are deemed unprofessional. Participants who criticize LWRC for being 9 months late in delivering a rifle they offered for sale are likewise considered unprofessional. Discussions between participants about what might be causing delay after delay after delay, when up to date information from LWRC is severely lacking, are considered nonconstructive.
Yup. Certain folk who think spraying spittle over the internet is constructive or "telling it like it is" keep me away from forums where they moderate. I'm one of the folks that has pleaded for a lessening of the irrational LWRC hate on this forum but I'm sure I'm marked as an "LWRC hater" because I dared to question certain things in this thread.
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