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Thread: LWRC M6IC (Individual Carbine) Delivery Delays

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinlessorrow View Post
    Not wven close. M4C is a community for gun enthusiests alike no matter the platform which is why we have all the different sub groupsa.

    The lwrc forum is a forum run by LWRC, if I get a crappy LWRC rifles I would contact LWRC, then post it on their forum to let people know and give them a heads up. If you come here and cry about a company we will ask if you contacted them first. At that point you can tell us the experience.

    LWRC has no excuse to ban people who speak poorly on their product from personal experience. If I placed an order for the IC and had watched it pushed back over and over for the last year I would be pissed and make it known.
    If you did, you would find yourself summarily dismissed from the LWRC forum.

    I've contacted LWRC Customer Service twice in the last three weeks trying to get a new update on when the IC will be delivered. No response. Yet if you visit the LWRC forum today, you will see a topic that contains nothing but lavish praise about their customer service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXBob View Post
    Think of it this way, if you can onto M4C and started ragging on the place, how long would you last?

    Not saying its right, just sayin I understand.
    poor analogy. M4c doesn't manufacture rifles


    Quote Originally Posted by TXBob View Post
    there's nothing they don't do that a DI gun doesn't do for 1/2 the price for your average joe.
    many would agree and many would take exception
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stellite1 View Post
    You're probably right but, as DreadPirateMoyer noted above, now is not a good time to start shopping for a different AR.
    Oh, I don't know about that. Colt 6920's are selling for $1500 and under on GB, DD and BCM rifles can had for $1800, etc. All are a better choice than the LWRC.




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    Quote Originally Posted by R0CKETMAN View Post



    many would agree and many would take exception
    Hey buddy, you are WAAAY out on a limb there.
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    You guys may not like the analogy but lets stop playing pollyanna for a second. Would you allow people to voice their complaints in a public forum? Is that good for business/advertising?

    What is the rule here? Don't Complain--contact MFG first. Complaining about how forums gets locked down is just piling on the groupthink here that LWRC is another Oly Arms. Leave it for what it is--poor customer service. No more no less. Very few companies, firearms or no, use forums as a way to deal with customer service because it reveals and talks about their mistakes. No one wants their dirty laundry in public.

    Think more--rage less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXBob View Post
    Hey buddy, you are WAAAY out on a limb there.
    Please elaborate...if you are able

    LAV stated some advantages over DI in specific applications in link you provided
    "Bones Heal, Chics Dig Scars, Pain Goes Away"

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwhitehorne View Post
    I took a tour of LWRCi in 2009 prior to my department buying 200 rifles. Unless they have grown tremendously in three years, I understand the shortage. The shop that I visited looked like a warehouse with about 10 assembly stations for weapons, along with office space and storage.
    This was at their Cambridge, MD facility?

    Quote Originally Posted by calengor View Post
    From what I've read the delay is not foreign orders, but the fact that they're waiting on a part from another manufacturer. As far as the foreign contracts are concerned, they've essentially built a parallel assembly line and hired a bunch of people to take care of that without delaying consumer orders.

    If you'd taken the time to read all the threads on the lwrc forum regarding the IC, and delays, etc you'd have picked up on all of this.
    I experienced a similar delay when I pre-ordered my REPR in 2009. In the end, LWRCI came through with a decent product (yes, I had to send mine back on their dime for the mag catch modification).
    I like my rifles like my women - short, light, fast, brown, and suppressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R0CKETMAN View Post
    Please elaborate...if you are able

    LAV stated some advantages over DI in specific applications in link you provided
    It was sarcasm. "Many will agree, many will take exception" is about as non noncommital as you can get

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXBob View Post
    It was sarcasm. "Many will agree, many will take exception" is about as non noncommital as you can get
    gotcha. I was trying to be polite.
    "Bones Heal, Chics Dig Scars, Pain Goes Away"

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Oh, I don't know about that. Colt 6920's are selling for $1500 and under on GB, DD and BCM rifles can had for $1800, etc. All are a better choice than the LWRC.




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    Sure, but those prices are still above MSRP (the LWRC we’re waiting in line for will be at or below MSRP), and they don’t include the features en totale that will be coming with the M6-IC, namely: adjustable gas block, melonited barrel w/ superior contour, fully ambidextrous upper and lower, free float rail, monolithic upper. LWRC does not make a junk gun like people on here seem to purport, and the ones I own are a better gun than my Colt LE6920, both in performance and build quality/features. Maybe some would contend they’re not worth the price and that you get a better bang for your buck from Colt/BCM, and that may be a fair assessment, but to say a Colt LE6920 is a better choice over an LWRC M6-IC is very open to debate depending on the price point and features you’re looking for. In my case, the Colts/BCMs/DDs won’t cut it for what I’m looking for. Need that switchblock!

    With regards to bans on the LWRC forums for complaining about their products, can’t say I’ve ever seen that, and I’ve been lurking there almost daily for the last 2 years. I’ve even posted criticisms before and gotten direct responses from the company VP. No scoldings, no bans. The user base there DOES tend to lean waaaaay in the direction of fanboyism, though. The forums really can turn into a circle jerk sometimes, and it can get really freaking annoying. In fact, most of the backlash I see from LWRC-related complaints on the LWRC forums comes from the fanbase (not LWRC), who froth at the mouth when anyone says anything bad about the company and scream, “OMG YOU CAN’T BLAH BLAH BLAH LWRC IS THE BEST DON’T EVER TRY THAT BLAH BLAH BLAH GO BUY ANOTHER RIFLE LOL!”

    Heck, I don’t even madly love LWRC or anything. I hold them in the same regard I hold my other beloved rifles. I just appreciate honest and as-objective-as-possible discussion, of which this thread is definitely not. Why LWRC has such a bad rap on this forum is beyond me, and it borders on ridiculous sometimes. Saying these things makes me insecure and makes me worry that I’ll be written off as a fanboy – like being a libertarian in political discussions (Republicans write you off as a commie stoner, Democrats write you off as a capitalist pig) – but dear lord, this discussion needs a healthy dose of honesty. Not an LWRC fanboy, just looking to inject some reality here.

    To get back on topic, the features of the M6-IC listed above are why I really would only swap out my place in line for the M6-IC for a Noveske Afghan/Light Carbine w/ Switchblock. They’ve got all the most-important features of the M6-IC, and Noveske builds a better rifle, I think. Fat chance I’ll find one at a reasonable price at this point in time, though. Hence, my continued place in the waiting line.

    P.S.: this post is mostly addressed generally other than the stuff regarding purchasing a Colt vs the IC. Didn't mean to call you out or anything, Grant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DreadPirateMoyer View Post
    Sure, but those prices are still above MSRP (the LWRC we’re waiting in line for will be at or below MSRP), and they don’t include the features en totale that will be coming with the M6-IC, namely: adjustable gas block, melonited barrel w/ superior contour, fully ambidextrous upper and lower, free float rail, monolithic upper. LWRC does not make a junk gun like people on here seem to purport, and the ones I own are a better gun than my Colt LE6920, both in performance and build quality/features. Maybe some would contend they’re not worth the price and that you get a better bang for your buck from Colt/BCM, and that may be a fair assessment, but to say a Colt LE6920 is a better choice over an LWRC M6-IC is very open to debate depending on the price point and features you’re looking for. In my case, the Colts/BCMs/DDs won’t cut it for what I’m looking for. Need that switchblock!

    With regards to bans on the LWRC forums for complaining about their products, can’t say I’ve ever seen that, and I’ve been lurking there almost daily for the last 2 years. I’ve even posted criticisms before and gotten direct responses from the company VP. No scoldings, no bans. The user base there DOES tend to lean waaaaay in the direction of fanboyism, though. The forums really can turn into a circle jerk sometimes, and it can get really freaking annoying. In fact, most of the backlash I see from LWRC-related complaints on the LWRC forums comes from the fanbase (not LWRC), who froth at the mouth when anyone says anything bad about the company and scream, “OMG YOU CAN’T BLAH BLAH BLAH LWRC IS THE BEST DON’T EVER TRY THAT BLAH BLAH BLAH GO BUY ANOTHER RIFLE LOL!”

    Heck, I don’t even madly love LWRC or anything. I hold them in the same regard I hold my other beloved rifles. I just appreciate honest and as-objective-as-possible discussion, of which this thread is definitely not. Why LWRC has such a bad rap on this forum is beyond me, and it borders on ridiculous sometimes. Saying these things makes me insecure and makes me worry that I’ll be written off as a fanboy – like being a libertarian in political discussions (Republicans write you off as a commie stoner, Democrats write you off as a capitalist pig) – but dear lord, this discussion needs a healthy dose of honesty. Not an LWRC fanboy, just looking to inject some reality here.

    To get back on topic, the features of the M6-IC listed above are why I really would only swap out my place in line for the M6-IC for a Noveske Afghan/Light Carbine w/ Switchblock. They’ve got all the most-important features of the M6-IC, and Noveske builds a better rifle, I think. Fat chance I’ll find one at a reasonable price at this point in time, though. Hence, my continued place in the waiting line.

    P.S.: this post is mostly addressed generally other than the stuff regarding purchasing a Colt vs the IC. Didn't mean to call you out or anything, Grant.

    Sorry, no LWRC product is worth more than $1500-$1800. On top of that, the company is questionable, guns are questionable and good luck getting parts for it.

    There is nothing a quality DI gun won't do that an LWRC gun will do (especially since you aren't deploying behind enemy lines shooting FA suppressed).



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