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    Quote Originally Posted by sinlessorrow View Post
    The SR-15 is a much better rifle.
    That's what I meant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Salad0892 View Post
    I'm saying that it's weird that they'd be priced anywhere near similar.

    And that you could get a much better product for the same price as an LWRCi.
    I read it differently initially but I thought about it a second time which is why I edited my post. I agree that the KAC is a better rifle(IMO) but here's a question....

    LAV has been on record for saying the LWRCi is a good rifle. Most people follow his word as gospel for anything he says....except for this. Why is that? Besides the blind protestations of markm and his ilk, some serious people have had great success with LWRCi. Why are they ignored on this one topic? If we can ignore some of Colts 90's sins, why not some of LWRCi's initial sins? They seem to draw some of the same extreme polar opposites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scoutfsu99 View Post
    I read it differently initially but I thought about it a second time which is why I edited my post. I agree that the KAC is a better rifle(IMO) but here's a question....

    LAV has been on record for saying the LWRCi is a good rifle. Most people follow his word as gospel for anything he says....except for this. Why is that? Besides the blind protestations of markm and his ilk, some serious people have had great success with LWRCi. Why are they ignored on this one topic? If we can ignore some of Colts 90's sins, why not some of LWRCi's initial sins? They seem to draw some of the same extreme polar opposites.
    I think LWRCi makes fine rifles. My experiences with them were great. But they didn't really do anything that my DI can't do for cheaper, more aftermarket support, and less weight. And better CS.

    However, their barrels are stupid accurate. Any of their guns could be used as DMRs. Easy.
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    I'll preface by saying I have no direct hands-on experience with LWRC rifles beyond a few rounds on a borrowed gun at a range.

    However, for the price-range you're looking at right now, you can DEFINITELY assemble a top-tier quality gun (if not outright purchase one of the complete ones Grant mentioned). The parts are there, for sane prices too -- you just need to be vigilant about securing them. If you're sick of waiting, this is something to seriously consider -- unless you, for whatever reason [perhaps against even you're own best judgement] want to hold out for the M6-IC.

    Even if you have to wait a little bit for something like a quality BCG, I can guarantee that will come sooner than that LWRC rifle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreadPirateMoyer View Post
    To get back on topic, the features of the M6-IC listed above are why I really would only swap out my place in line for the M6-IC for a Noveske Afghan/Light Carbine w/ Switchblock. They’ve got all the most-important features of the M6-IC, and Noveske builds a better rifle, I think. Fat chance I’ll find one at a reasonable price at this point in time, though. Hence, my continued place in the waiting line.
    Here's a Noveske offered by C and M Precision Guns for $2150: http://www.gunsamerica.com/959055604...SWITCHBLOC.htm

    I noticed that they come with type 416 stainless steel barrels. I'm a metallurgist by trade. Type 416 is a free-machining grade of stainless steel that contains intentional additions of sulfur that form inclusions in the steel. This is done to make it easier to machine. Machining chips break off when they reach one of these sulfide inclusions rather than making long, spiral-shaped coils. While this is beneficial for making the barrels easier and cheaper to manufacture, the inclusions significantly degrade the fatigue performance of the material. I have personally analyzed an exploded type 416 barrel.

    LWRC M6IC barrels are hammer forged, NiCorr surface treated, 41V45 low-alloy steel, which is not a free-machining alloy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stellite1 View Post
    LWRC says they have a backlog of 75,000 rifles and are shipping 2000 commercial rifles per month. Meanwhile on their YouTube videos from Shot 2013, they are promising deliveries in 25-30 weeks. You do the math. Oh, and their latest policy requires $500 deposits for all rifle orders - $500 deposits that are nonrefundable for any reason, including any future government bans on such rifles that might be enacted before you receive your order.
    OK, anyone who goes into business under these circumstances is crazy. I assume that you singed a contract when you gave them this deposit?
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    I am with Grant on this one....a quality DI is much better if your stuck on piston...get a SCAR

    Colt/BCM/Larue/DD/Noveske any day of the week

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    They have been trying to drop hints about the foreign military contract for a while. Kind of hard to believe at this point. You'd think for the $500 deposit, they could at least do what Larue did, what with the policy of sending you your lower before that ban, finished or not and then completing it after the ban.

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    Re: LWRC M6IC (Individual Carbine) Delivery Delays

    Quote Originally Posted by Littlelebowski View Post
    They have been trying to drop hints about the foreign military contract for a while. Kind of hard to believe at this point. You'd think for the $500 deposit, they could at least do what Larue did, what with the policy of sending you your lower before that ban, finished or not and then completing it after the ban.
    Not trying sir, they have a huge foreign mil contract for their new six8 platform. Sending out pallets to them often. Not only that but there are quite a few items on the IC's that are 100% new. Their new c.h., new mag release design, new upper design, new lower design, new gas block/piston design, etc. So getting it out to market is being a PITA.

    Has it been entirely too long, yes. They know this and are bustin ass to get the IC's and every other rifle sold out the door.

    Seems as if you guys just hate lwrc's which i dont really understand. I have received 2 excellent rifles from them. No hiccups or BS. Only problem I have had was an out of spec safety selector that allowed my safety to switch over to full(obviously didnt shoot full, just gave me 2 safety positions). No problem as it was switched with a b.a.d.a.s.s. as soon as I got home anyway.

    In regards to their forum, think about it like this. If you are having a problem with a product of theirs or anyone's for that matter, a forum is not where it will get taken care of. Call customer service! Their's is fantastic by the way.
    And all the people complaining about the IC's even pissed me off after being there for a while. Everybody coming in with the same story of I purchased an IC and where the f×%£ is it. Sorry, but the last thing I will ever do is pre purchase an item in an industry which is famous for crazy wait times. Think about how long the saker or the predatobr(me want) has supposed to be coming out...

    Im not trying to justify the IC bs, just saying that alot goes into bringing an entirely new product onto the market.
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    Re: LWRC M6IC (Individual Carbine) Delivery Delays

    Quote Originally Posted by scoutfsu99 View Post
    If we can ignore some of Colts 90's sins, why not some of LWRCi's initial sins?
    Btw, the early sins were when it was owned by different people. Things have changed at lwrci greatly since. Hell their operations have changed quite alot in the last year alone.

    For example, post 05 jaguars dont even resemble the jags of the mid 90's. Their electrics actually work now, so to lump the new ones in with the old ones is unfair. Cant tell you how many times I have had to rewire circuits on my bosses old 96 xj6.
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