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    While I would prefer to see more "obvious" staking on Bushy BCs, I have never seen one come loose.
    I would prefer that as well, having shot their gas keys loose because the staking sucked. I could have passed on the canted FSB too, and the unstaked castle nuts.

    Commercial tubes even on the DPS rifle? Blah
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonshot View Post
    I didn't realize the LMT upper included the charging handle, but that only accounts for $23. One still needs a sight, and I know I would want a very durable sight - I have no immediate plans to buy an optic, and I want whatever sight I put on the stay on, without moving around, even if hit or bumped. That is why I bought an A2 for my first rifle - seemed stronger.

    If I buy an upper, a lower, a BCG and handguards, how hard is it to put them together? It's not like I am building a parts gun. Wouldn't it be the same as the procedure I go through whenever I disassemble for cleaning and reassemble?
    LMT uppers generally do not come with charging handles.

    Putting an upper and lower together involved pushing two pins in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moon Doggie View Post
    Uh
    I am new and all, but why the Hate for Bushmaster ? I have 1 AR-15 and I use it for Hunting Coyotes, Crows and Groundhogs.
    I am looking into buying another AR-15, but one with a 16" Barrel.
    So what is "The" AR-15 to buy ? I thought about buying a "Kit" Gun from some Company, and then Building myself to save Hard to come by Money ?
    Maybe I need to read on here a little more
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    There is no Bushmaster hate and any negative is because of fact. BTW welcome to the forum.

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    My experience with Bushmasters was exclusively with the POS State Dept. issued ones we had in Iraq. Carrier keys were not staked and were not even locktited. Castle nut staking didn't exist and the chambers were not NATO spec.

    Since you've put a Colt BCG, that takes care of one biggie. If the gun is going to be shot hard, I'd get the chamber reamed to true NATO spec with one of Ned Christensen's reamers, properly stake the carrier key and stake the castle nut. It sounds like your front sight dimensions and orientation were GTG out of the box, which was a frequent problem with the DOS guns. Also, make sure you have the right extractor spring and insert, since it's likely you don't.

    Once this is all accomplished, the carbine should be pretty solid. I would keep very good round count records on it and decide upon a good PM schedule with regard to parts replacement, inspection, etc.

    I was going to say that BM should already do all this and once you've spent the money and time to do all this, you've spent the money to buy a Colt, but I won't do that....

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    Lots of departments I've worked with wont put Bushmaster on their approved list. Some have had enough issues in the past to help them make their decision.

    You can build a complete LMT carbine for less than a factory Bushy these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by variablebinary View Post
    Lots of departments I've worked with wont put Bushmaster on their approved list. Some have had enough issues in the past to help them make their decision.

    You can build a complete LMT carbine for less than a factory Bushy these days.
    Would you please name some of those Dept.s? I've been pleasantly surprised at the enormous number of large organizations that not only "approve" BMs, but issue them exclusively.

    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by FVC3 View Post
    Would you please name some of those Dept.s? I've been pleasantly surprised at the enormous number of large organizations that not only "approve" BMs, but issue them exclusively.

    Thanks,

    Fred

    I know of two maybe three right off the top of my head... One of them being Rowlett PD with is a decent sized Dept.

    Others being The Oklahoma Bureau of Investigations, and I believe the OHP, at one time about 7 years ago both of them had a law suit filed against Bushmaster in court for faulty weapon systems. The first purchase lot of 98 weapons for the OSBI and OHP, 93 of those weapons had sear failure's....only reason that I have first hand knowledge of this happening is my best friend was one of their purchasing agents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moon Doggie View Post
    Uh
    I am new and all, but why the Hate for Bushmaster ? I have 1 AR-15 and I use it for Hunting Coyotes, Crows and Groundhogs.
    I am looking into buying another AR-15, but one with a 16" Barrel.
    So what is "The" AR-15 to buy ? I thought about buying a "Kit" Gun from some Company, and then Building myself to save Hard to come by Money ?
    Maybe I need to read on here a little more
    Moon Doggie


    JLM summed it up pretty well, so I don't have much to say except that I have also posted positive, fairly extensive, first-hand experience with the two Bushmasters I have owned. Currently I have the 14.5" Izzy with the fixed hider (making it 16.1"). The gas keys are not staked as deep as my Colt's, but are better than other brands I have seen and have yet to come loose. But, that is not at full-auto, either, and the Colt's, LMT's, etc are designed for that as well. Class III or not, putting a couple thousand rounds through a 6920 in a day should not be an issue. Maybe not for most Bushmasters, either, but some have faltered a bit more under extreme duress.

    Thus, the "suitable for the purpose" statements can come into play. Still, well over 2,500 rounds of high end 5.56 with my Bushmaster and no FTF's or FTE's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FVC3 View Post
    Would you please name some of those Dept.s? I've been pleasantly surprised at the enormous number of large organizations that not only "approve" BMs, but issue them exclusively.

    Thanks,

    Fred
    Pepper Pike, Ohio PD

    We are'nt big but we took delivery of 6 in 2001 and 3 of them had to be sent back due to the front sight being installed improperly so much so that we could not get the guns on paper at 50 yards.


    Countless issues with the carrier keys until they were staked

    Countless issues with the castle nut until they were staked

    The chambers were overly tight and had issues feeding long AOL bullets (over 62 grain)

    The feedramp cuts are shallow
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    Quote Originally Posted by the1911fan View Post
    Pepper Pike, Ohio PD

    We are'nt big but we took delivery of 6 in 2001 and 3 of them had to be sent back due to the front sight being installed improperly so much so that we could not get the guns on paper at 50 yards.


    Countless issues with the carrier keys until they were staked

    Countless issues with the castle nut until they were staked

    The chambers were overly tight and had issues feeding long AOL bullets (over 62 grain)

    The feedramp cuts are shallow


    I am pretty sure Bushmaster has addressed and corrected to an extent some of those issues, specifically the staking issue and the chambers, in the past 4-5 years from what I heard and read numerous times. I know my newer Bushmaster ('04) is staked better than my older one ('98) was, and the chamber is definitely spec (been tested and shoots only 5.56). Can't speak for the chamber in my older one, as I never had it tested and even worse I believe I shot all .223 through that one.

    That was before the magic of the internet allowed us to find and acquire some of the best 5.56 at will (at once great prices, too!).
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