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    Quote Originally Posted by R Moran View Post
    FVC3,
    You started this thread with reservations, and are now mad that they've come true? Were you just looking for a fight?

    No one said you were not an expierianced shooter (1978, why does that dound so much like someone I've been working with?), only that those here are expieiranced, and are sharing their thoughts and insights.

    You say you've had excellent results with your personally owned BM's,(7 ?), how do you reconcile that with all the problems everyone else is having?

    When I worked at another facility in the DOE complex, BM's were bought post 9/11, I saw alot more then 7 fail to make it thru 3 rounds to zero.
    Armorers working at the DOE academy specifically recommended against BM, not even for a "fun gun", as it "won't be any fun, if it doesn't work".
    I know of another org. in the complex, that bought BM, due to availability, as soon as they could, they switched to Colt, because the BM "suck" as I was told.

    What NRC site do you work at? I used to work at one, a few years back, and do not remember the reporting standards, or shooting schedule you speak of. Maybe things have changed, but the outage workers, always told us, how we were the only site that carried rifles, were so strict, etc. We'd loose rounds all the time, it happends, don't recall any reports. Just curious.

    Bob

    Not mad - certainly not looking for a fight. Most folks here have had something substantial to add to the discussion - even if some of it is a bit snide and condescending.

    You, R Moran, are showing your ignorance. "NRC site"? No one even peripherally in the industry would refer to a licensee site as an "NRC site". The NRC is the regulatory agency. If you got your info from outage workers, I've got to wonder if you perhaps worked at a convenience store NEAR the site or something. Every response post at every last operating reactor in the US is equipped with a long gun - and has been for many years. The Officers at some sites might not be aware of what goes on at higher levels, so they could possibly be unaware of OEs. At my site, and the others directly affiliated with it, we discussed OEs with Officers at each trimesterly training session at least. We would attend Shift Briefings and do training sessions complete with sign-offs over serious incidents anywhere in the industry. Are you saying you were an armed responder or TRT team member at a nuclear facility?

    BTW, I was Site Armorer / F.I. for years before I was lead trainer - never heard any of my peers gripe about their Bushys at the many conferences and drills I attended over the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FVC3 View Post
    You, R Moran, are showing your ignorance. "NRC site"? No one even peripherally in the industry would refer to a licensee site as an "NRC site". The NRC is the regulatory agency. If you got your info from outage workers, I've got to wonder if you perhaps worked at a convenience store NEAR the site or something.


    I would suggest, based upon this response and the one to myself just before, that you need to relax a bit.


    As stated, you asked for advice and feedback and you got the best you will get anywhere. Now you want to berate those that said things you don't want to hear. The remark about the convenience store is an uncalled for insult (no disrespect to anyone who works hard) in the context of the discussion.

    Not one person here said that you don't have extensive experience, nor was it insinuated. Personally, I don't know what the **** you have done or where you did it. I was speaking in general terms, and so were the others. Nothing was directed at you, so I would assume it would be appropriate to stop acting that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FVC3 View Post
    Oh wait, Podunk PD and Backwater Sheriff's Dept. don't have them on the approved list. I'll call TX and TN and a few dozen others and bring them up to speed.
    Well lets just go ahead and forget "Podunk PD and Backwater Sheriff's Dept."(I'm sure those PDs and SOs enjoy being called that), and skip to larger agencies.

    They (Bushmaster) are NOT on Dallas PDs approval lists. Never have been, never will be.

    They ae NOT on DCSOs approval list.

    Plano PD is not happy wih theirs, but perhaps Mr Dobbs can elaborate more on this. I will not post the rumors about PPD until or unless the become fact.

    And what military contracts does BMI have. If I'm not mistaken, those contracts bragged about earier were cancelled.

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    JLM summed it up pretty well
    Even a broken watch is right twice a day

    I shot a local agency BM rifle that had such a weak hammer spring in it that it wouldn't reliably light ammo with commercial primers in it as well. Armorer's comment to the person that was issued that weapon was 'sometimes they do that'.


    Uhhhh.......jahh..........

    Hopefully that sometime isn't at 3am when a tweaker is coming at you with a large pipe wrench.

    2nd largest municipal agency around here rolls with the Colts. Nothing is perfect obviously, but some things are more perfect than others.

    I would agree with everything Grant has said here as well.

    I know a couple dead guys unimpressed with BM's QC/QA
    That might be funny if it wasn't so serious.
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    I've dropped the use of their parts completely for recreational guns. It is just too frustrating.

    I've also concluded the parts they sell are rejects as over 2/3 of the parts I've bought from them have an easily noticeable issue.

    There is a notice QC difference in the factory guns compared to the parts they sell.

    The last two barrels I bought from them were shit. One had 1/8" of forward and aft play in the handguard cap. The other had the FSB tipped forward, yes forward.

    The last 3 out of 4 stripped lowers from them all had magazine well issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    The receiver extension is a good one. It is true that the commercial RE's are bigger than the mil-spec ones. They are also made out of MUCH cheaper materials than the mil-spec RE's. Does this matter to the casual shooter? No, not really. If someone wants the strongest part they can get though, the should NEVER choose a commercial RE. Oh and, RE's do break.
    I am the last person on this list to try and claim any sort of expert status -- I learn new things all the time.

    However, I think the above is overly broad. It may be true of BMs commercial spec tubes, but more than one company makes RE tubes to the commercial spec and I would be surprised if ALL of them are made of cheaper material. I would also be surprised if all the ones made to mil-spec dimensions are made out of better material.

    For the topic at hand:

    For the record, my gun is made with BM parts (on the upper) from the late 90s and works great. I cannot claim the heavy use that some people regularly see but it has been through a few multi-day high round classes without issue. I have not seen a complete BM rifle in a long time so cannot comment on those. However, back around 2000 or 2001 a friend bought a complete BM upper with their (YHM?) railed gas block preinstalled. The thing shook loose in less than 50 rounds. I was not overly impressed at all with it.

    My brother has a 98 era post-ban BM carbine that seems to work well, and another friend had a BM DCM gun that worked well.

    It seems to me that based on the collective experience here, BM commercial offerings have, at least in the last many years, been hit-or-miss. Definitely not something I would stake my life on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FVC3 View Post
    Not mad - certainly not looking for a fight. Most folks here have had something substantial to add to the discussion - even if some of it is a bit snide and condescending.

    You, R Moran, are showing your ignorance. "NRC site"? No one even peripherally in the industry would refer to a licensee site as an "NRC site". The NRC is the regulatory agency. If you got your info from outage workers, I've got to wonder if you perhaps worked at a convenience store NEAR the site or something. Every response post at every last operating reactor in the US is equipped with a long gun - and has been for many years. The Officers at some sites might not be aware of what goes on at higher levels, so they could possibly be unaware of OEs. At my site, and the others directly affiliated with it, we discussed OEs with Officers at each trimesterly training session at least. We would attend Shift Briefings and do training sessions complete with sign-offs over serious incidents anywhere in the industry. Are you saying you were an armed responder or TRT team member at a nuclear facility?

    BTW, I was Site Armorer / F.I. for years before I was lead trainer - never heard any of my peers gripe about their Bushys at the many conferences and drills I attended over the years.
    Convenience store? I wish, I'm always taller when I leave one.

    I'm fully aware of what NRC is, and that the sites are privately owned and regulated by the NRC. I use the term NRC site, to differanitate it from a DOE owned and run site, which is a different animal, most people don't know thre is adifference or what it is. I've heard the term numerous times, by those in the industry, or perhaps its just those in DOE.

    Yes, when I first got out of the Army, I worked as an armed officer and a member of the TRT. "98-'00. Shearon Harris, NC. I never had the oppurtunity to visit aother site, the outage workers did, and told us of there expieriance's, again, perhaps things have changed. Thats why I asked.
    The trainer when I was there, was a former Capt. Force Recon Marine, last I saw he worked at Triple Canopy,
    the security manager was very pro--Pro-force. We still didn't do, what I would call a lot of shooting. The guy who took his place was a 'tard.

    I now work at a DOE site, currently re-certifying for SRT. If that matters to you.

    Bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Safetyhit View Post
    I would suggest, based upon this response and the one to myself just before, that you need to relax a bit.


    As stated, you asked for advice and feedback and you got the best you will get anywhere. Now you want to berate those that said things you don't want to hear. The remark about the convenience store is an uncalled for insult (no disrespect to anyone who works hard) in the context of the discussion.

    Not one person here said that you don't have extensive experience, nor was it insinuated. Personally, I don't know what the **** you have done or where you did it. I was speaking in general terms, and so were the others. Nothing was directed at you, so I would assume it would be appropriate to stop acting that way.
    No - you ****ing relax. I, too, spoke in general terms until it was passive-aggressively suggested that the armament and training I spoke of wasn't quite remembered that way...

    Title 10 of the Code of Federal Regulations locks all nuclear licensees into certain requirements. The Post 9-11 Training Order was much more specific and homogenized training throughout the industry.

    You simply cannot have been doing the job and not be aware of these requirements. Your butt was out there runnin' and gunnin' every 3-4 months.

    Your own prejudices are showing - not mine. I casted no aspersions on convenience store workers and insulted no one. Any negative slant was in your head - not mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R Moran View Post
    Convenience store? I wish, I'm always taller when I leave one.

    I'm fully aware of what NRC is, and that the sites are privately owned and regulated by the NRC. I use the term NRC site, to differanitate it from a DOE owned and run site, which is a different animal, most people don't know thre is adifference or what it is. I've heard the term numerous times, by those in the industry, or perhaps its just those in DOE.

    Yes, when I first got out of the Army, I worked as an armed officer and a member of the TRT. "98-'00. Shearon Harris, NC. I never had the oppurtunity to visit aother site, the outage workers did, and told us of there expieriance's, again, perhaps things have changed. Thats why I asked.
    The trainer when I was there, was a former Capt. Force Recon Marine, last I saw he worked at Triple Canopy,
    the security manager was very pro--Pro-force. We still didn't do, what I would call a lot of shooting. The guy who took his place was a 'tard.



    I now work at a DOE site, currently re-certifying for SRT. If that matters to you.

    Bob

    ' 98 - '00 Puts you leaving before many of the bigger changes in training. Earlier though, you mentioned getting BM rifles post 9-11.

    The outage workers you spoke with must have been mistaken, or perhaps had only worked some low-level waste sights that did not require a response to 10CFR.

    DOE sights can be "a different animal" though generally speaking, thay are MORE heavily defended than most.

    Keep the bad guys on the other side of the fence!

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