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    Since my return back to the states I have learned much about police depts and police officers in general ( hell, I am one). First thing I learned is that pd's often approve and issue crap. I now know of two pd's that approve of Olyimpic Arms and issue them! I couldn't believe it either. If anyone wants to know what is worth carrying, check out what the military uses and trust that. Or get something that meets mil specs. So simple, yet so hard...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Safetyhit View Post
    I am pretty sure Bushmaster has addressed and corrected to an extent some of those issues, specifically the staking issue and the chambers, in the past 4-5 years from what I heard and read numerous times. I know my newer Bushmaster ('04) is staked better than my older one ('98) was, and the chamber is definitely spec (been tested and shoots only 5.56). Can't speak for the chamber in my older one, as I never had it tested and even worse I believe I shot all .223 through that one.
    No, they really haven't.

    Well staked carrier keys have been seen, but they're the exception, not the rule.

    Receiver extension nuts are staked by request/contract only.

    BM chambers are better than many others, and generally okay, but still found with some variance.

    Barrels are often installed poorly.

    BM still does not install a proper extractor spring assembly except by request/contract.

    BM has opted for a standard that satisfies the lowest common denominator of commercial consumer. They are capable of substantially more, but they prefer mediocrity.

    They are not unserviceable. They are serviceable with a comparatively greater number of caveats, though.
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    My personal opinion on why BM seems to have so many issues with their AR's is because they do not make a single thing in house. This means that they are relying on other companies to do their QC for them. This works if the other company has high QC, but if they do not, then it does not work out so well.

    So how does BM fix their issues. The easiest way is to hire more QC people that know what they are looking for. The harder thing to do is to start making things in house so that you can control what goes on.



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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Here are FVC3 pics.


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    Looks like their "staking" technique has regressed a bit, or maybe I was that lucky. So much for my earlier comment...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skintop911 View Post
    No, they really haven't.

    Well staked carrier keys have been seen, but they're the exception, not the rule.

    Receiver extension nuts are staked by request/contract only.

    BM chambers are better than many others, and generally okay, but still found with some variance.

    Barrels are often installed poorly.

    BM still does not install a proper extractor spring assembly except by request/contract.

    BM has opted for a standard that satisfies the lowest common denominator of commercial consumer. They are capable of substantially more, but they prefer mediocrity.

    They are not unserviceable. They are serviceable with a comparatively greater number of caveats, though.


    Between this well articulated post and Grant's new photo's of that stake job, I will have to assume that I may have gotten a bit lucky with my newer Bushmaster. The outsourcing would explain the inconsistencies.
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    I have to admit I to have owned some Bushmasters and had an issued one at one time as well. Never had a problem with them. One even ran through a 3 day rifle class with 1300 rds in 106 degree weather with out a hic up. All that said though when I plop down money for a work carbine these days it has not been a BM anymore. Maybe I was lucky during that time with the ones I had.

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    God damn I have to say that the big staking arguement is the dumbest one yet. Your a moron if you base a purchase solely on that.

    Buy an automatic punch and stop whining. Sure I have personally seen Bushmasters shoot a bolt carrier loose because of improper staking. Take the 5 seconds and stake it, end of story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mactastic View Post
    God damn I have to say that the big staking arguement is the dumbest one yet. Your a moron if you base a purchase solely on that.

    Buy an automatic punch and stop whining. Sure I have personally seen Bushmasters shoot a bolt carrier loose because of improper staking. Take the 5 seconds and stake it, end of story.
    But Mactastic, youre not factoring in the $4.00 extractor spring/insert and the other 5 minutes it might take to stake the castle nut.

    Balance that against the fun of trashing all the lesser weapons! Heck of it is, there is plenty of metal deformation around the screws on that carrier. If you ever had to remove similarly staked screws during some mechanical project, you'd look at it and think "oh SH^* !" how am I gonna back those out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mactastic View Post
    God damn I have to say that the big staking arguement is the dumbest one yet. Your a moron if you base a purchase solely on that.

    Buy an automatic punch and stop whining. Sure I have personally seen Bushmasters shoot a bolt carrier loose because of improper staking. Take the 5 seconds and stake it, end of story.
    If there short cutting on something as simple and costless as staking what else are they skimping on? This is called a clue!

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