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    Quote Originally Posted by FVC3 View Post
    What the hell do you know about me to contrast me against "these experienced shooters"!? The fact that I am I am new here does not reflect on my experience or judgment.


    This is where you started with your baby like responses.


    As I stated earlier, no one here, including myself, said that you lacked experience before you started your tantrums. Additionally, I was one of the first posts to support Bushmaster after your initial post.

    And yes, you most certainly did take a shot at R.Moran by stating he was ignorant and must have worked at a convenience store. The only negative aspects of this thread are your unwarranted, immature hostilities genius, period.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Safetyhit View Post

    The only negative aspects of this thread are your unwarranted, immature hostilities genius, period.
    +1, really making friends after only 2 weeks on the forum. .

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    I would suggest to anyone making comments in this thread that they back up their statements with fact or edit their posts.

    M4 carbine doesn't want or need conjecture and guessing games presented as facts. They won't tolerate it. I'm surprised a mod hasn't come in and severely busted some skulls. I know a few that surely wouldn't like the way this thread has gone. It's by technical or factual anymore.

    If you want to be a continuing part of M4 you'd better follow the leader and try to learn from the experts this site takes pride in attracting. They don't tolerate back and forth BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eguns-com View Post
    I am the last person on this list to try and claim any sort of expert status -- I learn new things all the time.

    However, I think the above is overly broad. It may be true of BMs commercial spec tubes, but more than one company makes RE tubes to the commercial spec and I would be surprised if ALL of them are made of cheaper material. I would also be surprised if all the ones made to mil-spec dimensions are made out of better material.

    For the topic at hand:

    For the record, my gun is made with BM parts (on the upper) from the late 90s and works great. I cannot claim the heavy use that some people regularly see but it has been through a few multi-day high round classes without issue. I have not seen a complete BM rifle in a long time so cannot comment on those. However, back around 2000 or 2001 a friend bought a complete BM upper with their (YHM?) railed gas block preinstalled. The thing shook loose in less than 50 rounds. I was not overly impressed at all with it.

    My brother has a 98 era post-ban BM carbine that seems to work well, and another friend had a BM DCM gun that worked well.

    It seems to me that based on the collective experience here, BM commercial offerings have, at least in the last many years, been hit-or-miss. Definitely not something I would stake my life on.

    Chad

    We and some others in the firearms industry have checked a good many commercial RE's. They are generally made out of cheaper material (not 7075) and are extruded (not forged).


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    FVC3,

    I work at an NRC regulated facility and I am intimately familiar with the equipment that our Site Protection staff employs. I am also familiar with the requirements to be a Site Potection "officer" - with OPSEC in mind, I'm neither particularly impressed with their requirements nor with your attitude.

    If you'd like to discuss this offline, I'd be happy to. Until then I suggest you throttle back a few notches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekatar View Post
    FVC3,

    I work at an NRC regulated facility and I am intimately familiar with the equipment that our Site Protection staff employs. I am also familiar with the requirements to be a Site Potection "officer" - with OPSEC in mind, I'm neither particularly impressed with their requirements nor with your attitude.

    If you'd like to discuss this offline, I'd be happy to. Until then I suggest you throttle back a few notches.
    Nor I with your attitude, or with your lack of perspective - out of all this bile, you choose that to latch onto? I never spoke of officer requirements - I spoke of the large number of BMrifles, their hard use, and the low number of issues in a highly regulated industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FVC3 View Post
    Nor I with your attitude, or with your lack of perspective - out of all this bile, you choose that to latch onto? I never spoke of officer requirements - I spoke of the large number of BMrifles, their hard use, and the low number of issues in a highly regulated industry.
    Their Bushmaster rifles (ours use them too) are neither "run hard" nor does the "highly regulated" aspect extend to the weapon, gear and training aspects of Site Protection personnel, unless you count "shall be armed with a 9mm semi-automatic pistol and a .30 semi-automatic rifle" as stated in CFR.

    Certain DOE personnel tasked with site protection duties actually are reasonably well-trained and equipped (such as those tasked with certain sites within the INEL facility, for example) but if you are discussing the average American nuke plant - those rifles are low round count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekatar View Post
    but if you are discussing the average American nuke plant - those rifles are low round count.
    Yes they are...I worked at the Oak Ridge, TN facility for a while. (Wackenhutt)
    We did get some fun training...and trained hard...just not all that often.

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    FVC,
    Did you not suggest I worked at a conveniance store, instead of a Nuclear Power generating site?

    If things have changed since I left that industry, great, I was merely relaying my experiances. And, when incident reports get written, aren't all parties involved required to make a statement? I never did, for the types of incidents you are speaking of, that I was involved in.

    DOE is most definately a different animal, I've been involved with DOE for about 8 years now, and 3 sites.
    The protection any DOE facility with in the complex recieves depends on what teh facility does and what type of material is present. It can range from plane jane security officers to something akin to an infantry bn. Wackenhut, Lockhead-Martin, doesn't matter, DOE sets the standard, and we all meet the minimum. Its not all "Defense". I'll put many of them up against many "real cops" any day, we usually do, once a year, and do quite well.

    If you worked at Oakridge, and didn't get much training and shooting, well, I'm glad I worked at other facilities, as I've gotten plenty at them.

    Back on topic, I guess....

    The BM carbines I spoke of were issued to a DOE facility, I was working at, post 9/11, and they flat out sucked. I know that for a fact.

    How do you reconcile your experiance, against all of those that have noted problems?

    This is how I do it....

    I'd bet that the number of weapons sold by BM that have problems, is probably a small percentage of what they build.
    I'd bet that same number from a company likee Colt is miniscule compared to the BM, number.
    It only took something like a 1.8% failure rate, to cause LAPD(?) to pull the G21 from service.

    Bob

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