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    Any reason to keep a pre ban lower

    I have a Pre ban lower i kept for the "incase" I go to a class in "ban" states and was wondering if there is any reason to keep a pre ban lower any longer. I am just going to use it for the 545 upper since poly mags are a little tight but thought of selling it just to thin the heard. I would just toss the upper on my Recce lower if I wanted to shoot 545 since it has a SSA trigger in it.

    I do not need to sell it just wondering if there is still a reason to keep a pre ban lower?

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    WHICH ban are we talking about?

    The one in the 80's or the Clinton one?
    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    But you should have enough mags that you don't need to see a grief councelor if you destroy or damage one.

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    If the lower has no sentimental value to you, then I would sell it at a reasonable amount to a fellow shooting enthusist in a ban state. I would make some money on it, but I wouldn't gouge them either. This assumes you have plenty of other ARs and you define "plenty". I have a SP1 that my father bought for me in the eighties. No way I could ever sell it.

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    The answer to the question would depend entirely on how many AR's I had, the status/possibility of anti-gun legislation in my state's future, and the condition of the lower in question.

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    Ah, just keep it.

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    Assuming we're talking about pre-bans from "AWB 1.0" - made prior to 9/14/94...

    They're still relevant in 1994-era AWB states like NY, CT (for now), MA and perhaps other places, so like everything else they're going for silly prices now, even silly-er than before. Demand is probably higher than ever in NY these days, with the upcoming registration deadline (if I understand how the not-so-SAFE act works). [I say silly because their extreme values come from artificially-, legislatively- created scarcity, rather than from unmolested consumer and producer choices operating only under the laws of free market supply and demand.]

    I don't think there is a "one right answer" here. Ultimately I think it boils down to your personal situation, your investment in various firearms, your finances, your probability of travel, your subjective assessments of the future for AWB's 2.0, etc. Not much help in that answer, I guess....

    Here's how I look at it:

    - If you think you might want to visit one of those AWB 1.0 places with an AR down the road, then it may be worth keeping. (see the posts above from twistedcomrade and Auto426) Make sure you have your pre-ban standard capacity magazines as well (assuming they are still grandfathered).

    - If you'd rather reinvest that cash into something you'll use & enjoy more, then now is a good time to do so. The market is telling you quite clearly that there is a lot of demand from those who 'need', think they 'need', or just 'want' what you already have. Based on what I've seen lately in the auctions, depending on brand and appearance/condition, you might end up break-even trading up to a new Colt or BCM complete lower, perhaps even close to a Noveske or KAC complete lower. (In other words, panic price to panic price parity.)

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    You need to check those states, as I believe there was a ruling that it had to be a complete firearm with evil features already when the law was passed. But could be wrong, that might have been federal law / BATFE ruling.

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    Re: Any reason to keep a pre ban lower

    Quote Originally Posted by RHINOWSO View Post
    You need to check those states, as I believe there was a ruling that it had to be a complete firearm with evil features already when the law was passed. But could be wrong, that might have been federal law / BATFE ruling.

    Not trying to say you are wrong in your beliefs, but how would one go about proving that a lower isn't wearing the same parts that was on it when the ban passed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RHINOWSO View Post
    You need to check those states, as I believe there was a ruling that it had to be a complete firearm with evil features already when the law was passed. But could be wrong, that might have been federal law / BATFE ruling.
    Most states, at least Connecticut I know for sure, the law, as written, exempts firearms, the serialized part of the gun, manufactured before the ban. Nothing is written that states that the weapon had to be configured with evil features before the ban either by the legislation or any judge. Every gun store in the ban states that I've been to that sells pre-bans, every one of them, sells stripped, never-built lowers. As it stands now, so long as the serial number is pre-ban, I think you're good to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RHINOWSO View Post
    You need to check those states, as I believe there was a ruling that it had to be a complete firearm with evil features already when the law was passed. But could be wrong, that might have been federal law / BATFE ruling.
    This was an ATF admin ruling / opinion with regard to the now expired 1994 federal AWB. It was never law or formal regulation.

    It did not apply to the Pre SAFE act NY AWB. Not sure about CT or MA.

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