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Thread: Any reason to keep a pre ban lower

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilrogAR15 View Post
    Not trying to say you are wrong in your beliefs, but how would one go about proving that a lower isn't wearing the same parts that was on it when the ban passed?
    Again, I just recall something along those lines when people were discussing Pre & post ban rifles WRT the '94 ban and federal law.

    IIRC, basically the BATFE ruled that since its a receiver, not a rifle until its assembled, it had to be assembled before the ban went into affect. Again, the '94 federal AWB has expired so that portion is moot, a person needs to get into the specific state law.

    How would they prove it? I don't know, maybe by your weapon having all new production post ban type evil features. Sure you could say you swapped them all out from older production preban stuff... But then you'd be lying...

    Again, no dog in this fight as I don't intend to move to a Kommunist state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCM View Post
    This was an ATF admin ruling / opinion with regard to the now expired 1994 federal AWB. It was never law or formal regulation.

    It did not apply to the Pre SAFE act NY AWB. Not sure about CT or MA.
    Thanks for the clarification, I knew it was regarding the Federal AWB.

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    It was built as a rifle. I just moved the upper to another rifle to use PMAGs and the like because I have a few of em.

    Thanks for the discussion. It has given me a few points to think of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffhounddog View Post
    It was built into a complete rifle and lawfully possessed by me as a rifle well prior to 9/14/94. I just moved the upper to another rifle to use PMAGs and the like because I have a few of em.
    I fixed it for you.


    I'm not the best expert on all of the AWB 1.0 state statutes and case law, but I think the language in the MA AWB, for example, either directly states, implies or has been interpreted to "mean" that the exclusion / grandfathering of "pre-ban" weapons only applies to those that were complete, functioning firearms (under MA law) prior to the cutoff date. I don't think NY or CT ever cared about this.

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    What are pre-ban lowers selling for right now? (meaning a lower made before 94)

    I have one of those BM short barrel with long welded FHs from 93. Its a carry handle upper CAR15 basically. It makes me feel like a teen or early 20s again in OG-107s when I get it out, but for practical purposes I was thinking of SBRing it with a flat top upper.

    That would be kind of a waste to do to a pre-ban lower now that I think about it.

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    Pre-ban lowers are going for pretty strong prices. An example from yesterday (3/2/13) was this pre-ban DPMS stripped lower, new in wrapper, that went for $795 on GB:

    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=330750860

    [Please note that I haven't verified the serial number on this one to ensure that it is truly pre-ban. However, given the price, I'm pretty confident that whoever bought it was convinced.]

    Again, the market prices reflect artificially created scarcity, rather than a rational assessment of price vs. quality / reputation / features / condition / materials / etc. That's why stuff that most M4C'ers wouldn't touch is going for premiums to acknowledged "Tier I" brands like Colt, KAC, BCM, Noveske, etc. For comparison, there's a first quality Noveske Gen II stripped lower that's currently going for less than the 20+ year old DPMS above.

    For pre-bans, as you might imagine, the rest of the rifle / carbine (other than the lower) is probably irrelevant and/or worthless to the buyer (unless he or she is a full-on collector of historical pieces). They want the lower to be able to build a no-ban carbine or rifle, or to be able to have evil features for an NFA build they're doing (see: CT).

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    Sorry to bump an old thread but I have a question for the CT / MA folks re: pre ban lowers:

    I have a pre-ban Eagle Arms lower (complete) which is gathering dust. If I sell this to someone in CT or MA can it go as a complete lower or do I have to disassemble it and send it as a stripped lower ?

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    You can sell it however you want. Stripped, complete, painted some horrible purple krylon color. It doesn't matter as long as the serial can be verified as pre-ban.

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