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    Re: Running an ACOG 4x and a 45 deg. T-1

    Quote Originally Posted by misanthropist View Post
    Yes, but you don't have the optic that's actually optimized for longer shots. You just have a magnified (obviously) image of a sub-optimal reticle and so on. I agree that it's workable but, as usual, not quite the exact solution I have in my head.
    An exps 3-4 would be great with a magnifier, pretty much exactly what you're looking for. It has bullet drop and because of the tiny dot size, works well with a magnifier.

    But most people don't like the busy reticle.

    So... Maybe not. You can always get a 45* offset rail section and mount a magnified optic like that. The main problem is that when you shoot longer ranges, you'll often use support of some kind, which is easier if the weapon is straight up and down. Also, canting the weapon even slightly has much more of an effect at longer ranges than shorter ranges. And finally, scopes tend to be heavier and larger, so they benefit being on actual rail surface more than a small t1.

    So get a rmr on top of a 6x acog. Or get a 1-8x variable scope. Or get a flip magnifier for an exps 3-0 or a 2 moa dot. Or get good larue or adm mounts and switch out optics.

    Or get a 3x acog as a compromise and use it for close range and distance. I can shoot 7 yd drills with my ta33 almost as fast as I can with a t1.

    But why add weight, expense, and cost for 1% of the time?
    Last edited by Koshinn; 03-04-13 at 06:41.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koshinn View Post
    An exps 3-4 would be great with a magnifier, pretty much exactly what you're looking for. It has bullet drop and because of the tiny dot size, works well with a magnifier.

    But most people don't like the busy reticle.

    So... Maybe not. You can always get a 45* offset rail section and mount a magnified optic like that. The main problem is that when you shoot longer ranges, you'll often use support of some kind, which is easier if the weapon is straight up and down. Also, canting the weapon even slightly has much more of an effect at longer ranges than shorter ranges. And finally, scopes tend to be heavier and larger, so they benefit being on actual rail surface more than a small t1.

    So get a rmr on top of a 6x acog. Or get a 1-8x variable scope. Or get a flip magnifier for an exps 3-0 or a 2 moa dot. Or get good larue or adm mounts and switch out optics.

    Or get a 3x acog as a compromise and use it for close range and distance. I can shoot 7 yd drills with my ta33 almost as fast as I can with a t1.

    But why add weight, expense, and cost for 1% of the time?
    That is exactly why I am heavily invested in Aimpoint Micros, and basically nothing else anymore.
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    Thanks for the replys...

    I've already got the ACOG and have an extra T-1 lying around so it's not like I'm investing any extra cash for this.

    I have magnifiers on some other rifles and they work awesome as well.

    I think I'll try the 100M zero on the red dot and go from there.

    Yeah, there is a ton of redundancy in this solution but this is more of a fun rifle... Just experimenting here... I'll post some pics of the set up when I'm done... I'm sure it will be changed about 5 time and will probably just end up with a T-1 as the primary optic!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pathfinderheli View Post
    Thanks for the replys...

    I've already got the ACOG and have an extra T-1 lying around so it's not like I'm investing any extra cash for this.

    I have magnifiers on some other rifles and they work awesome as well.

    I think I'll try the 100M zero on the red dot and go from there.

    Yeah, there is a ton of redundancy in this solution but this is more of a fun rifle... Just experimenting here... I'll post some pics of the set up when I'm done... I'm sure it will be changed about 5 time and will probably just end up with a T-1 as the primary optic!!
    That will work,
    but if I was in your shoes, I would put the ACOG and some inexpensive offset sights on your rifle,
    and use the T1 as an excuse for another build!

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    Agreed... If you let me know where I can find parts for a new build I'll have at it!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by misanthropist View Post
    I know the concept I'm about to propose has some serious drawbacks, but I have always thought it so I'm just going to throw it out there...

    I have always wished there was a good way to have an aimpoint as the primary optic, with an offset 4x or 6x.

    Vortex, Leupold and Swaro all have illuminated 1-6x scopes available.

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