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    M27 on Tac-TV last night!

    I was impressed by the M27 last night on Tac-TV. Thanks for the review Mr. Vickers! It was more accurate in Mr. Vickers hands than either the M16A4 or the SAW. The only thing that seemed to suck was having to reload alot more with the high fire rate when compared to the SAW. I wonder if the Marines will get a larger capacity magazine for use with the M27? I also couldn't really tell what profile the barrel had? It didn't look heavy, I thought that with such a high fire rate it would be a heavy barrel, but it might actually be I just couldn't tell.

    Does anyone else on here have any experience with it? I found it interesting that it had a 16" barrel? I don't see alot of posts about H&K on here that they are either good or bad? I was thinking for my next rifle about getting one but I would like some firsthand experience from someone who has used it or the MR556A1(what us lowly civi's can get). Again, thank you for the review Mr. Vickers. I also loved the factory tour at Mauser and the Daniel Defense torture tests(most recent and 1st). I hope your show lasts a long time as it more informative than the salesman show that Guns and Ammo and most other shows are.
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    I have to take "accuracy tests" that depend on firing without having the firearm locked in a rest with a grain of salt. Especially when the manufacturer of the firearm is a sponsor or otherwise has a compensatory relationship with the person doing the testing. I am not saying that there was anything intentionally misleading in this demonstration, but the potential is certainly there. Have you read more than one negative firearm review in a gun magazine? I haven't. Probably one reason I do not read very many of them. I also tend to believe what I see on television almost as much as I do what I read on the internet. YMMV.
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    The M27 is one of more accurate weapons in the Marine Corps infantry battalion, it meet the requirements laid out for the Mk12 in terms of accuracy.

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    The impression i get from Larry vickers is that his integrity is more important than making his sponsors happy. While there is a chance the groups were mis represented, but if he did this for this show i would think it would be a theme. When he did the mile shot the show would have him hitting in a couple shots. When it took most or the 30min show.

    I do not know Mr vickers at all, but i would not question his integrity. Im sure that maintaining the reputation he has built is far more important than how accurate the IAR is. Last time i saw the show hk was not even a sponsor.

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    Re: M27 on Tac-TV last night!

    I am going to put this in right now:
    Larry Vickers is beyond question as far as integrity.
    I wholly put my own reputation on this endorsement.
    I might not completely agree with every single thing he has ever said, but I believe that he is/was working off of his best knowledge and extensive experience on anything he says or claims.
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    @mastiffhound:

    There is a big HK416 thread here, with some good discussion:

    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=92876

    The M27 is basically the same as our HK416N, so some of the info I have given in the above thread (from page 4) can be relevant, although we use it as a general issue carbine, not as an automatic rifle.
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    I saw the show the other night, first time really, and thought it was a pretty good show.

    They should have shot the HK from the bipod and then used the mag as a monopod like the M16 was fired. That would have been only fair.

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    M27 on Tac-TV last night!

    Was this show that the OP mentions a previously aired show from last year?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by LRB45 View Post
    I saw the show the other night, first time really, and thought it was a pretty good show.

    They should have shot the HK from the bipod and then used the mag as a monopod like the M16 was fired. That would have been only fair.
    Having seen an issued M27 fired side by side to an issued M16A4, the M27 is a hands down better weapon platform. The only serious drawback is the lack of compariative capacity to the belt fed SAW. This problem could be alleviated with using the 60 round Surefire mag, but not the cure-all.

    Having talked with Infantry course instructors (both Os and Es), the key thing is fire discipline has to be ingrained into the Marines carrying M27s.

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    Comparing the accuracy of the M16A4 in burst while rested on the mag to the M27 fired in bursts using a good bipod is not a fair comparison.

    While the episode is good and Larry is a wealth of knowledge I found the test biased. When doing accuracy tests anyone will tell you to remove as much of the human error as possible. Adding more human error and less stability to one gun is not a fair comparison.

    I would have liked to see both the A4 and the M27 tested with a bipod and a magazine rest to see the accuracy in a fair comparison. Its pretty much a given that a gun will be less accurate when firing bursts when rested on the magazine vs locked down in a bipod.
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