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    one think i did not like about the Civilian version of the HK 416 that was on last week is the lack of a chrome lined barrel. We saw what issues we had with the 1st M16s in Vietnam with one of the main issues beign lack of a chrome lined barrel.

    I find it amazing that a company who makes such great weapons as HK does would not chrome line the barrel of the 556a1
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinlessorrow View Post
    Comparing the accuracy of the M16A4 in burst while rested on the mag to the M27 fired in bursts using a good bipod is not a fair comparison.

    While the episode is good and Larry is a wealth of knowledge I found the test biased. When doing accuracy tests anyone will tell you to remove as much of the human error as possible. Adding more human error and less stability to one gun is not a fair comparison.

    I would have liked to see both the A4 and the M27 tested with a bipod and a magazine rest to see the accuracy in a fair comparison. Its pretty much a given that a gun will be less accurate when firing bursts when rested on the magazine vs locked down in a bipod.
    I think that the demo was a fair comparison as far as what the dude in the field will be able to do with issued weapons in their issued configurations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    I think that the demo was a fair comparison as far as what the dude in the field will be able to do with issued weapons in their issued configurations.
    I agree with you on that part given how each come issued and thats what was trying to be showed, but I was just pointing out that in order to draw a true decision on which is more accurate they must both be fired in the same manner meaning both rested on a bipod or magazine.

    Thoughfor the purpose Larry was showing(which is more accurate with the gear your issued) it worked well given the M27 is issued with a bipod and a FF rail.
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    Excellent episode. Informative and entertaining as usual. I think he skipped the bipod on the M16A4 since it is not issued with one.

    And echoing jstone and Failure2Stop, LAV is the one of last people who's integrity I would ever question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    I think that the demo was a fair comparison as far as what the dude in the field will be able to do with issued weapons in their issued configurations.
    I cannot remember since I saw it last year when it first came out, but did they fire it off the issue grip pod?

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    Quote Originally Posted by R0N View Post
    I cannot remember since I saw it last year when it first came out, but did they fire it off the issue grip pod?
    Harris bipod I believe. Could have been a different brand of bipod though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Land Shark View Post
    Was this show that the OP mentions a previously aired show from last year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by glock_40_caliber View Post
    I have to take "accuracy tests" that depend on firing without having the firearm locked in a rest with a grain of salt...
    Quote Originally Posted by sinlessorrow View Post
    ...When doing accuracy tests anyone will tell you to remove as much of the human error as possible...
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    I think that the demo was a fair comparison as far as what the dude in the field will be able to do with issued weapons in their issued configurations.
    F2S is correct. Using a rest and eliminating the human factor only tests the mechanical accuracy of a rifle. For use in the field under dynamic conditions, how how accurate the shooter is with the rifle is more important. An extreme example is a rail gun. It's mechanical accuracy is phenomenal but it's practical accuracy in the field leaves a whole lot to be desired. A good number of members of this site spend quite a bit of money, time and effort to ensure their ARs are as accurate in field use as possible, without expending a dime to improve mechanical accuracy. To borrow an M4ism, that is what is called a "clue"
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    F2S is correct. Using a rest and eliminating the human factor only tests the mechanical accuracy of a rifle. For use in the field under dynamic conditions, how how accurate the shooter is with the rifle is more important. An extreme example is a rail gun. It's mechanical accuracy is phenomenal but it's practical accuracy in the field leaves a whole lot to be desired. A good number of members of this site spend quite a bit of money, time and effort to ensure their ARs are as accurate in field use as possible, without expending a dime to improve mechanical accuracy. To borrow an M4ism, that is what is called a "clue"
    While true, they did compare a mag rested rifle to a bipod rested rifle. While that is a test of how they are issued its still an apples to oranges comparison.

    Apples to apples would be both magazine rested and both bipod rested. However I do understand why the test was performed in the manner it was even if I personally consider it to be less than an even comparison.
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    What was the difference in accuracy?
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