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Thread: M27 on Tac-TV last night!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    I don't know what test specifically R0N is referring to, but the test I know of, with similar result, was from a fixture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryr8828 View Post
    I had to trace down it's next airing because my dvr lost all my scheduled recording info. The guide said that Monday was the first time it's aired so it was a new show.
    The episode you're thinking of was shot at the same range in NC, but with 416 and different HK rep on site.
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    I think it is poor form to say that the test was rigged, or biased, just because the M27 was fired from a bipod.

    Mr Vickers even prefaces the test by saying that both the M249 and M27 fires from a bipod, clearly stating that it should give both weapons an advantage over the M16A4.

    That statement leads me to believe, like F2S alluded to, that they were tested as issued.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic1 View Post
    I think it is poor form to say that the test was rigged, or biased, just because the M27 was fired from a bipod.

    Mr Vickers even prefaces the test by saying that both the M249 and M27 fires from a bipod, clearly stating that it should give both weapons an advantage over the M16A4.

    That statement leads me to believe, like F2S alluded to, that they were tested as issued.
    Which is why I said in two different posts I understand why he did what he did.

    And I said IMO, the whole in my opinion is the biggest part since we all have opinions...IMO it was not an apples to apples comparison.

    I never said it was rigged, I just said the test was setup to give the M27 and M249 an advantage...but I do undertand why the test was done the way it was since the M16 is not issued with a bipod. I was just stating my opinion and not everyone has to agree with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic1 View Post
    That statement leads me to believe, like F2S alluded to, that they were tested as issued.
    I think that it was a point of this test - to shoot every weapon in "as issued" configuration. At least this is what I assumed from LAV comments in part of this test, that I could see for free on Tac-TV YT channel.
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    Especially when the manufacturer of the firearm is a sponsor or otherwise has a compensatory relationship with the person doing the testing.
    Yet LAV has also said the HK417 is too heavy to even consider as a rifle compared to something like the PredatAR or SCAR, that Glocks are really only reliable and worth buying in 9 mm (and 10mm) and to avoid the 4th gen models for the time being, and that the PPQ has a better trigger than any other polymer handgun.

    All of those statements run contrary to what the sponsors would want him to say, so your idea that he does stuff based upon the influence of sponsors is factually incorrect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whick1 View Post
    one think i did not like about the Civilian version of the HK 416 that was on last week is the lack of a chrome lined barrel. We saw what issues we had with the 1st M16s in Vietnam with one of the main issues beign lack of a chrome lined barrel.

    I find it amazing that a company who makes such great weapons as HK does would not chrome line the barrel of the 556a1
    The Civilian version of the HK416 is known as the MR556 in the US and MR223 in Europe. The MR in the that designation stands for Match Rifle. It is designed as such to get around German arms restrictions with regard to exports and sales to civilians. As such there are changes over the military version--such as a non chrome-lined barrel to maximize accuracy and a heavier match barrel.

    The HK416 which is designed for military use has a chromelined barrel; the MR223s and MR556 which are designed for civilian use do not.

    Still, HK has used different steels in their barrels. I'm not sure some of their other Military longarms came without chome lining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed L. View Post
    I'm not sure some of their other Military longarms came without chome lining.
    Don't quote me on this or anything, as Steyr, or somebody would know better. But I think early G3s might not have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed L. View Post
    Still, HK has used different steels in their barrels. I'm not sure some of their other Military longarms came without chome lining.
    The G-3/HK91 and HK33/HK93 both had non-lined barrels, and they seem to stand up to abuse pretty well. Can't recall seeing reports on poor barrel life/performance from these rifles. A former HK employee on HKPro.com has stated that the early HK MG4 barrels were not chrome lined either, and stood up fine to full auto endurance testing.

    HK uses very high quality steel alloy for their barrels and, personally, I think its an overblown issue for a semi-auto civilian rifle like the MR556.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter Rose View Post
    The G-3/HK91 and HK33/HK93 both had non-lined barrels, and they seem to stand up to abuse pretty well. Can't recall seeing reports on poor barrel life/performance from these rifles. A former HK employee on HKPro.com has stated that the early HK MG4 barrels were not chrome lined either, and stood up fine to full auto endurance testing.

    HK uses very high quality steel alloy for their barrels and, personally, I think its an overblown issue for a semi-auto civilian rifle like the MR556.
    I fear rust living near the coast in SE Texas far more than I do barrel wear.
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