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Last edited by sinlessorrow; 03-09-13 at 07:54.
That includes:Thanks R0N, those numbers I posted were for the Norwegian HK416N's I should have specified that.
Sling
Vertical grip
BUIS
Cleaning kit
7 Magazines
That said, the price went down when we purchased an additional 17000 weapons, for a total of 25000. We are also getting 17000 new rifles this year.
It's not about surviving, it's about winning!
I don't think the M27 was a sound choice.
I have no reason to suspect any greater bolt longevity out of HK than an conventional AR/Stoner arrangement. The recoil impulse of a 416 is much more than a similarly configured AR. Not ideal for burst on tgt.
A heavier, more expensive carbine, with expensive replacement parts, coming from a foreign company.. brilliant.
The Corps either wanted to sneak in a fleetwide adoption of the 416, or they have no idea wtf they really need. In an institution with a 86% turnover rate every 4yrs, and a massive dissonance between savvvy end users and procurement types... I would suspect the later.
An improved M4 with a 16" heavy barrel, longer gas system, heatsink fore-end, and a stabilizing muzzle device would have been smarter.
-commonality of parts from barrel nut back, ala less proprietary crap
-armorer training essentially unchanged
-not wedded to fluctuations of foreign quality
-much better recoil characteristics
-cheaper, definitely so over lifecycle
-US Marines.. with a US made product, crazy
PIP could of had improved bolts/carriers with 20K lifespan ala KAC or LMT's wares, backwards compatible with standard m16 BCG's for quick fix's in deployment scenarios. Barrel burnt, change barrel & bolt.
Or go completely logical and require a rd count device in the pistol grip. Every institution with systemic weapons issues has massive issues tracking why/when. Since when is directly related to rd ct and firing schedule, which is never correctly tracked.. get the data and fix it.
HK 1st said 30K rds for the 416 to some users... not so much in real life. They now say 10K. There is no physics altering cloud covering the factory in Germeny. Overselling does not engender confidence in a companies wares.
Several US manufacturers can produced a hammer forged, chromed lined of equal or superior quality.
True, but they didn't make a difference in the testing. I am anything but a 416 hugger, but it answered the mail better than any of the other submissions as far as the requirements document went. Doesn't mean that there is nothing better, or that technology hasn't progressed since 2008, but it's kind of a moot point.
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