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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmac View Post
    Even if a receiver is registered with the NFA as an SBR, it's still not an SBR unless it actually has a short barrel installed on it. For the purposes of engraving, you can take or send a stripped receiver, or the assembled lower, off to be engraved by an FFL/gunsmith without worrying about their SOT status.
    This is news to me. I was told that as soon as the paperwork is approved your receiver is SBR'd and as such cannot leave your possession and even though you haven't yet received your physical stamp it is indeed already SBR'd. Personally, I will err on the side of safe and send the lower off at the same time as paperwork and there will be no issues either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hydguy View Post
    Hmac, if a business is not primarily in the business of engraving firearms, I don't think it would be required to have an FFL.
    For example: a local engraver does a single lower for one customer.
    Similar to many people who work on/duracoat/paint their friends guns without having an FFL.
    Or the ever maligned 'private seller' at the gunshow.

    Being 'engaged in the business of', according to all other examples that the BAFTE has ruled on, requires that a business (or individual) is, in fact, engaged in making a living by engaging in the selling, modifying, personalizing firearms.
    Hell, I could make 50 AR's (or any other type of semi-auto weapon) from scratch, and as long as I don't sell them, I don't need an SOT, as I'm not 'engaged in the business' of making and selling firearms.
    That is why there is a good market for 80% lowers.
    I'm only quoting the law. We report, you decide. I don't know what the practical meaning is. Sounds like more of a problem for the engraver than for me. Personally, I'll send my engraving off to someone who engraves firearms for a living, and they all have FFLs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jer View Post
    This is news to me. I was told that as soon as the paperwork is approved your receiver is SBR'd and as such cannot leave your possession and even though you haven't yet received your physical stamp it is indeed already SBR'd. Personally, I will err on the side of safe and send the lower off at the same time as paperwork and there will be no issues either way.
    The BATFE is quite clear that its a Title I firearm if its a stripped receiver, or even if you simply take the barrel off.

    http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/nati...r-nfa-transfer


    Q: I possess a properly registered SBR or SBS. I intend to strip the receiver and remove the barrel prior to selling the receiver. Is the bare receiver still subject to regulation under the NFA as a SBR or SBS?
    A stripped receiver without a barrel does not meet the definition of a SBR or SBS under the NFA. Although the previously registered firearm would remain registered unless the possessor notified the NFA Branch of the change, there is no provision in statute or regulation requiring registration of a firearm without a barrel because its physical characteristics would make it only a GCA “firearm” pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(3)(B). If the subsequent owner buys the receiver as a GCA firearm and installs a barrel less than 16 inches in length (SBR) or 18 inches in length (SBS), the firearm would be subject to a $200 making tax and registration under the NFA by the manufacturer or maker of the SBR or SBS. Because registration depends upon the stated intent of the applicant, there is no provision to allow registration of a NFA firearm by anyone other than the maker or manufacturer.


    Q: May I transfer the receiver of a short-barrel rifle or shotgun to an FFL or to an individual as I would any GCA firearm?
    Yes. A weapon that does not meet the definition of a NFA “firearm” is not subject to the NFA and a possessor or transferor needn’t comply with NFA requirements. The firearm is considered a GCA firearm and may be transferred under the provisions of that law.
    Last edited by Hmac; 04-04-13 at 07:52.

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    Received my lower back from Ident today and all I can say is WOW. It is perfect I couldn't have asked for more. Even with the time it took I will still be sending any other work I have to them.

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    Got mine back from Ident today. As always, the engraving under the trigger guard is fantastic. Total time 3 1/2 weeks door to door.

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    Bump. For more fantastic engraving stories.
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    Just got the UPS notification from Orion today; should be at my doorstep on April 15th. Sent to Orion on March 29th, arrived at Orion on April 4th, and now heading back to me. Total time out is 20 days

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    markm,

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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    Bump. For more fantastic engraving stories.
    Oh have I got one for you....

    So I brought a new lower to a local engraver as I figured it would be best to try out the local company. But, I've never been there before so I was a little weary as to whether or not a good job would be done. So as I was getting my stripped lower out, the engraver busts open the door and comes screaming out of the building. I figured he meant business, so I started to quickly assemble my lower as fast as I could so that I could get it into action. Luckily, I had brought a loaded mag and an upper. So I slapped the upper together, threw the mag in and took cover behind my car. The engraver was irate (at something) and had grabbed a metal pipe and was yelling that he would going to kill everyone. So I loaded my mag and racked one back.... the only thing though, is that nothing happened. I opened my upper again only to find that I didn't have a BCG installed, due to this crazy climate... I haven't been able to find one.

    I then casually walked up and dropped off my lower to be engraved. Two days later -- bam.... great job. Is that the type of fantastic story you're looking for from an engraving thread?
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    Has anyone engraved an image of his examiner on the lower?

    I'm thinking that would be a prudent measure.
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