Glock 23's for NOAA?

[Alpha Sierra]

The reason so many federal agents are "needed" is because the federal government has overreached into areas where it is not Constitutionally allowed to be.

And we have a gutless and worthless federal judiciary that goes right along. So much for the separation of powers.

[joffe]

http://www.fourmilab.ch/fourmilog/ar...11/000584.html

More curious than the NOAA, the U.S. Railroad Retirement Board, Agency for International Development and the Small Business Administration are all armed.

[El Cid]

The reason so many federal agents are "needed" is because the federal government has overreached into areas where it is not Constitutionally allowed to be.

And we have a gutless and worthless federal judiciary that goes right along. So much for the separation of powers.

Care to cite any examples? Seems the federal govt can't win. Either it's too involved or not enough (Katrina for example).

http://www.fourmilab.ch/fourmilog/ar...11/000584.html

More curious than the NOAA, the U.S. Railroad Retirement Board, Agency for International Development and the Small Business Administration are all armed.

Yep, and they are all part of the IG as I described above. There is nothing unreasonable about that. Their scope/authority is limited and they are really nothing more than an internal affairs dept for thier respective agencies.

[Alpha Sierra]

Care to cite any examples?

No. You find them. Hint: The United States Constitution, not the United States Code, is the controlling document. If it ain't there, it ain't the fed's business.

Seems the federal govt can't win. Either it's too involved or not enough (Katrina for example).

Only statists and socialists think the fed.gov is not involved enough.

[rhino]

The reason so many federal agents are "needed" is because the federal government has overreached into areas where it is not Constitutionally allowed to be.

And we have a gutless and worthless federal judiciary that goes right along. So much for the separation of powers.

Amen, I say, AMEN.

I used to be an environmental engineer and project manager in the Superfund program for the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). I was guilty of some pretty egregious violations of inviduals' rights through ignorance and allowing myself to be used as a tool by my superiors and the lawyers that told us what to do.

Back then (1989-1991), there were a handful of "Criminal Investigators" in each region, but I was too naive politically and socially to see the beginning of a bad trend. Since then, even the EPA has had a huge surge in the number of employees with police powers and it's a tremendously bad idea. It only helps a wasteful, poorly conceived, misguided, and often malicious agency impose its will on individuals. The concept of "innocent until proven guilty" is a joke, much as it is in many situations where someone runs afoul of the DEA.

I've learned quite a bit and I continue to atone for my sins committed under the auspices of my former office. The Federal gov't is continuing to build an army that it should not have. People need to awaken and start questioning these things, if for the expenditures of taxpayer's money if for no other reason.

[ToddG]

Yep, and they are all part of the IG as I described above. There is nothing unreasonable about that. Their scope/authority is limited and they are really nothing more than an internal affairs dept for thier respective agencies.

The people who complain about armed IG SAs are the same ones who bitch and moan when they hear a government entity has spent stupid money on a toilet seat or lost a bunch of notebooks with classified information on them.

[rhino]

The people who complain about armed IG SAs are the same ones who bitch and moan when they hear a government entity has spent stupid money on a toilet seat or lost a bunch of notebooks with classified information on them.

Those scoundrels! How dare they believe that government agencies and administrations (and their employees) are somehow accountable to anyone ... especially them!

It would be interesting to see what kind of shortage of armed special agents there would be if we could eliminate Federal gov't involvement in aspects of life and society where they should have zero or minimal presence. That would include rolling back agencies/adminsitrations that were originally supposed to be primarily regulatory, but somehow grew into primarily enforcement (because they were allowed to do so). That shortage would quickly become a booming surplus.

[dwhitehorne]

It's my understanding that the federal government has so many different federal law enforcement agencies as an attempt to limit the big brother powers. When I went to FLETC there was something like 75 different agencies represented there. I believe the FBI and the Marshall Service are the only two agencies that can enforce all US code where the rest of the agencies are strictly limited to the specific codes under the Code of Federal Regulation.

I worked security at the CIA in the mid 90's and had police powers on the property only. The agency was very scared of LE activities and only wanted the security guard function to protect the compounds. When I left and went to the US Park Police it was a 180. The USPP has police powers in many areas and will respond to any request for assistance in any juristiction. I think alot of these IG types want the 1811 status for the retirement and added pay benifits. David

[ArmaGlock]

The reason so many federal agents are "needed" is because the federal government has overreached into areas where it is not Constitutionally allowed to be.

And we have a gutless and worthless federal judiciary that goes right along. So much for the separation of powers.

What are you referring to? I guess you've already been asked to cite some examples, but you couldn't. If you're referring to the Patriot Act, then you need to remember it's a big part of the reason none of your family members have been killed in another terrorist attack on American soil. If you don't like it, move to China, see how you like their constitution or lack of.

[M4arc]

Take it easy gents....