Seeing Faster Shooting Faster

**Heavy Metal** · 03-19-13, 22:38

That's it.

**shua713** · 03-19-13, 23:39

I am saving this thread as a reference, thanks guys

**SKULL1** · 03-20-13, 07:52

here's my photo of kyle.. and yes... it does helped with my control and accuracy

**ra2bach** · 03-20-13, 16:44

Originally Posted by theblackknight

Pretty sure they mean this Attachment 15917

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dude sorry but that looks all kinds of messed up...

I just took my son through a Handgun Fundamentals class with Erik Lund last weekend and because I'm the dad, I shot with him. no harm in redoing a fundamentals class and I actually learned something...

he does a drill where you just shoot into the berm tracking your front sight. he asks you to tell him where it goes (12 o;clock, 11:30 1:30, etc...) so once you know this you can anticipate it.

what I learned was, as he was observing my sights he noticed that out of recoil, my gun settled high and I was having to drive the front sight down to realign them. I tried a grip change and it came back to normal.

**Bearded_Operator** · 03-21-13, 04:10

Originally Posted by ra2bach

dude sorry but that looks all kinds of messed up...

I just took my son through a Handgun Fundamentals class with Erik Lund last weekend and because I'm the dad, I shot with him. no harm in redoing a fundamentals class and I actually learned something...

he does a drill where you just shoot into the berm tracking your front sight. he asks you to tell him where it goes (12 o;clock, 11:30 1:30, etc...) so once you know this you can anticipate it.

what I learned was, as he was observing my sights he noticed that out of recoil, my gun settled high and I was having to drive the front sight down to realign them. I tried a grip change and it came back to normal.

Front sight press, shooting competition's and doing private security I can tell you it works.

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**-Ace-** · 03-21-13, 05:16

For another eye excercise, take a pencil or similar object, and move it back and forth / near to far while keeping it in focus, this will strengthen your ciliary muscle and greatly improve your transition / split times. By doing these exercises I was able to go from .20 splits to .7-.10 splits while still accurately calling shots. I stopped for awhile and my splits started to get slower again.

**ra2bach** · 03-21-13, 14:29

Originally Posted by Bearded_Operator

Front sight press, shooting competition's and doing private security I can tell you it works.

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what are you referring to - the pic where the support first finger goes all the way around to the frame of the gun?

maybe there are people with much longer fingers than me but doing that interferes with my trigger finger AND creates a space between the heels of my hands. if it works it works, but I'm not one it would work for. it compromises too much of my already stable grip...

**markm** · 03-21-13, 14:34

I support Todd Green's method of "AIM FAST, MISS FAST".

(that's LAV's joke... not mine.

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**Surf** · 03-21-13, 17:06

Originally Posted by theblackknight

Pretty sure they mean this Attachment 15917

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For me, the best sight tracking drill is burning rounds into the berm. Then moving to doing bill drills at 7 y. If you can, shooting at night sans a light is great because you cant see the dam target anyways. You have to watch your dots bounce.

I heard someone describe their moment of clarity on sight tracking as not even looking at the sights, just looking above the gun, eyes focused at nothing. They stopped trying and then it happened. Its hard because you cant see thru people's eyes to know what to tell them.

sent from mah gun,using my sights

I have played with the grip in the top picture, which I took from Bob Vogel quite awhile back. I tried many subtle variations in an attempt to get it to work. I think that with the Gen4 Glocks that I like to shoot without backstrap and shorter trigger reach for my med sized hands, my fat fingers really foul up the grip on the primary side and I often interfere with my trigger pull. I definitely feel more positive control on the weapon when I am not fouling myself up, but for the life of me and I think my hand or finger sizing, I screw up my trigger pull waaaay too often. I can' hit the grip reliably from he draw at even moderate speeds and I have hammered with this grip a lot. I may try to revisit it again in the future.

As for tracking the sights, I gotta agree with what TBK has mentioned in that when I am up close and really pressing the speeds, I look over the top of the pistol and have more of a focus on the target as opposed to the front sights. I call this type of aiming "slide indexing". I am relying on mechanics and using the slide more of an confirmation of index or reference for aiming with the target as the primary focal point and then tracking the sights with the soft focus. This allows me to watch the sights much much easier at very fast splits. If I am running .15's or .16's and use a hard front sight focus, I have a much tougher time reliably tracking the sights at these speeds. Of course if more precision is needed I go back to a more hard front sight focus and dial things down in order to see what I need to see, to get the type of hits that I need to get.