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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeRe View Post
    Aaron, just to be clear, you have to buy the suppressor before you start the paperwork. The Form 4 is specific to a particular suppressor with its serial number.
    Yeah I didn't realize that at the time of my original post so thanks for the reminder, I appreciate it! I'm hoping the gun shop I end up going with will let me put a down payment on it and pay it off over time (but I don't know if they can deal with NFA items). Speaking of, I need to start calling around and try to find the closest NFA dealer. It doesn't have to be bought in my city or parish right, just in my state?

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    A suppressor on a handgun intended for home/self defense will add weight and length to an item that is valued for its compactness and low weight.
    I would be more inclined to put a suppressor on a short rifle for HD than a pistol.
    Jack Leuba
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    A suppressor on a handgun intended for home/self defense will add weight and length to an item that is valued for its compactness and low weight.
    I would be more inclined to put a suppressor on a short rifle for HD than a pistol.
    My only rifle is a 16"er, and I unfortunately don't have the money right now for a new SBR upper receiver (plus a Class III license and another tax stamp for the barrel length I think, right?). It is something I'd like to do some day though, especially when I get to the point of moving into a bigger home.

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    Talk Me Out of a Suppressor

    I have found it cheaper to buy the suppressor on line out of state and not pay state tax. However you will have to pay a NFA transfer fee with your local dealer. The fee is basically renting a space in the dealers safe while the approval process takes place. When I purchased my first can he had it in stock and I payed 6.5% state sales tax on a $ 750.00 suppressor + a $40 transfer fee. If I have a suppressor I purchased out of state with no state sales tax it is $ 75.00 transfer fee which is only $ 25.00 more than the $ 40.00 but, with out state tax.

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    Talk Me Out of a Suppressor

    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    A suppressor on a handgun intended for home/self defense will add weight and length to an item that is valued for its compactness and low weight.
    I would be more inclined to put a suppressor on a short rifle for HD than a pistol.
    1. Now our adding another $ 200.00 stamp and wait times/ availablty.
    2. Two handed weapon (calling 911,opening/closing doors, gathering family.)
    3. Still longer than his G17+suppressor.
    4. Grater sound with a suppressed rifle than hand gun.
    5. Over penetrating soft concealment( dry wall.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kknick View Post
    1. Now our adding another $ 200.00 stamp and wait times/ availablty.
    2. Two handed weapon (calling 911,opening/closing doors, gathering family.)
    3. Still longer than his G17+suppressor.
    4. Grater sound with a suppressed rifle than hand gun.
    5. Over penetrating soft concealment( dry wall.)
    Fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaron_c View Post
    My only rifle is a 16"er, and I unfortunately don't have the money right now for a new SBR upper receiver (plus a Class III license and another tax stamp for the barrel length I think...
    No Class III just another tax stamp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kknick View Post
    1. Now our adding another $ 200.00 stamp and wait times/ availablty.
    Understood, though the wait times usually are pretty similar if submitted at the same time. Things do change, and I don't work for the ATF, so I don't necessarily think that you are wrong.

    2. Two handed weapon (calling 911,opening/closing doors, gathering family.)
    I don't disagree that an SBR is more difficult to employ one-handed than a pistol, but it is certainly not impossible.

    3. Still longer than his G17+suppressor.
    Compare a firing stance with a pistol to a suppressed SBR and you will notice that they are very similar in length, with an edge toward the SBR. Stick a can on the pistol and muzzle projection goes to favor the SBR.

    4. Grater sound with a suppressed rifle than hand gun.
    Most of that sound will only be appreciable when forward of the muzzle, and really only comes into noticeable levels when using subsonic ammo, which greatly limits ammunition options and performance.

    5. Over penetrating soft concealment( dry wall.)
    Tests, studies, and actual application tends to disagree with that assertion. Pretty much anything that is suitable for use against a lethal humanoid threat is going to punch through a lot of interior walls. Even then, the higher velocity, lighter, more fragmentation prone rifle projectiles tends to penetrate fewer interior walls/furnishings than pistol caliber projectiles. I think that this point gets way overblown on both sides of the coin; either of them will go through several layers of drywall, which equates to several rooms, which means that unless you live in a sprawling estate you need to put the bullets into meat and let the threat be the backstop.

    Further, most suppressor diameters will require the user to install taller sights, which is a cost driver.
    The length of a suppressor will interfere with a pistol mounted light since the only usable mounting position on pistols is usually 6:00, which equates to more of the beam being blocked exactly where you want light. Of course, you can help overcome that by shifting the gun orientation to get light-spill where it is needed, but it's a lot easier without a suppressor attached.

    The point is moot really, since the OP stated that he isn't interested in going the double stamp route with his carbine.

    I still stand by my assertion that a suppressor for a HD handgun is a lot of expense with very little gain and several negatives. Frankly, I don't care what anyone else does with their money, guns, or the defense of their family that isn't within my sphere of influence/concern. Dude asked for advice, I shared my experience and opinion. I have zero emotional attachment to this.
    Jack Leuba
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaron_c View Post
    Also, and more importantly - I've seen tests show that on a 9mm, the average suppression seems to be from around 160db to around 120+db...which is still enough to damage your hearing permanently, right? So what's the point then, for my application (primarily home defense) if my hearing is going to be damaged either way if I ever have to use it? This is the biggest question in my mind right now and the only answer I can come up with is that it may help protect the hearing of my family if they are nearby. Opinions?
    There is a lot you can learn and understand before buying a suppressor... I will give you kudos for doing some searching and seeking to broading your understanding.... but truly "knowing" what it is all about can only be achieved through ownership and use.

    Once you buy your first one and use it a few times, only THEN will you be able to appreciate the tool and truly answer these kinds of questions for YOURSELF. I don't think anyone else can do that for you, although clearly guys with experience during a purchase is key to getting the right recoil, springs, ammo, whatever.

    I really do think it is the kind of hobby that you want to try and figure out your first purchase.... and at some point just jump in. Once you get in the water things will become more and more clear to you... and your second purchase will be much sweeter.

    I know that is my story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ick View Post
    There is a lot you can learn and understand before buying a suppressor... I will give you kudos for doing some searching and seeking to broading your understanding.... but truly "knowing" what it is all about can only be achieved through ownership and use.

    Once you buy your first one and use it a few times, only THEN will you be able to appreciate the tool and truly answer these kinds of questions for YOURSELF. I don't think anyone else can do that for you, although clearly guys with experience during a purchase is key to getting the right recoil, springs, ammo, whatever.

    I really do think it is the kind of hobby that you want to try and figure out your first purchase.... and at some point just jump in. Once you get in the water things will become more and more clear to you... and your second purchase will be much sweeter.

    I know that is my story.
    Aaron this post ^^^^ is worth reading a couple of times. Lots of truth here. It is my story as well.

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