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    im digging it except for the batmobile look to the mag well

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbo38gn View Post
    I don't know about you, but this 100% unit looks like finished and coated holes to me...

    Can someone,.... one of the "experts" tell me exactly what makes this a non functioning, non form and not quality. I am directing this question as it pertains to this picture in my post. Is it the finger grips, the holes drilled in the trigger guard, or holes in the back of the lower.... what exactly is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ned Christiansen View Post
    Whether I like it or not doesn't really bear on the fact that somebody really knows what they're doing with CAD and CNC and needed to express themself

    If the holes are uncoated and the alloy is theoretically, or in fact, 20% down in strength from mil spec, well, I don't see any of those "in use by secret clandestine units" claims at least.

    I don't care how other people.... wait, most other people, hold their carbine. Not even sure that this one, for people that do use the magwell hold, would be the ultimate. I doubt the Magwell Holdin' Champion of the World would realize much dif between this and a standard lower. If he did or if he didn't it wouldn't really matter to me, I doubt it would change the way I do things.

    I think it was cool when blues bands and rockers took the Hammond B3 organ out of church and started using it in a way it wasn't supposed t be used and doing things with it that some people didn't like. Even Hammond dispproved-- they didn't want their product being used "that way".

    And I think this receiver is cool. Not necessarily "the future of the AR15" and I don't think everyone must have one, but as an exercise, an experiment, a proof of technical prowess and yes, an artisic expression, I don't see any harm in it!

    This sums up my feeling on it quite well. I like it. The workmanship is good, it looks interesting... Hell it looks FUN. However in saying that I am not saying I would want it on my defensive carbine.

    Neither though would I mind having something like this in my safe just to say I had.
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    This just might get me to support the assault weapons ban.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZGXtreme View Post
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    This isn't Arfcom.
    Quoted for truth and easier to quote my feelings than waste time typing them.
    As a general rule I don't think the people that use this terminology appreciate just how much it makes a "man" look like an ass.

    I have noticed this statement a couple of times on here in the past few weeks. Certainly I have seen it before. Nothing new, but there seems to be a rash of it.

    I understand that this statement is often thrown around as a disparagement akin to calling someone a "tier 1 mall cop" or calling someone an "operator" tongue-in-cheek.

    I am just saying it doesn't reflect disparagement on the guy with the artsy lower. It makes the guy using the word look like a self-absorbed jerk.

    Perhaps I should have just kept quiet, being an under 200 poster and all. Certainly I fall into the pencil-pushing gun enthusiast category. Guess that makes me arf.com material.
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    Re: New guy with a custom lower I promise nobody has seen!

    Quote Originally Posted by glocktogo View Post
    I don't think anyone disagrees that it's an artistic expression (art is always in the eye of the beholder) or display of technical prowess. It's certainly those things.

    The OP argues that it has "practical" features as well. It's the practicality of the piece that's being rightly challenged. There is absolutely nothing this lower can do that a Noveske Flared Forged Lower can't do better at a lower cost. For the price point, there's nothing this lower can do that a AXTS AX556 lower can’t do better AND offer full ambidextrous operation to boot.

    The OP's primary goal with this lower is to be unique. Mission accomplished. It's just that M4C as a general rule, doesn't value uniqueness as a trait worth paying extra for. In this case, it actually detracts from more desirable functionality.
    I never said it was practically better than any other lower. I said it was made with a higher treated grade aluminum than most other lowers. I also said that a lot of different design went into the "inside" of the magwell. By the way, I paid no more for this lower than I would have purchasing any other lower. You are right. My primary goal was to find a lower than not many other people would have. Nothing more nothing less. The guy who designed and milled this has some serious skill that I'm sure most of us wish we had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ned Christiansen View Post
    Whether I like it or not doesn't really bear on the fact that somebody really knows what they're doing with CAD and CNC and needed to express themself

    If the holes are uncoated and the alloy is theoretically, or in fact, 20% down in strength from mil spec, well, I don't see any of those "in use by secret clandestine units" claims at least.

    I don't care how other people.... wait, most other people, hold their carbine. Not even sure that this one, for people that do use the magwell hold, would be the ultimate. I doubt the Magwell Holdin' Champion of the World would realize much dif between this and a standard lower. If he did or if he didn't it wouldn't really matter to me, I doubt it would change the way I do things.

    I think it was cool when blues bands and rockers took the Hammond B3 organ out of church and started using it in a way it wasn't supposed t be used and doing things with it that some people didn't like. Even Hammond dispproved-- they didn't want their product being used "that way".

    And I think this receiver is cool. Not necessarily "the future of the AR15" and I don't think everyone must have one, but as an exercise, an experiment, a proof of technical prowess and yes, an artisic expression, I don't see any harm in it!
    I have to go with Ned on this one. He's a guy who is known for coloring outside the lines on occasion just because he can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glocktogo View Post
    Regardless the grade of material used, bare aluminum is much more prone to galling and other issues than anodized, alodined, creakoted, whatever. No way I'd assemble a rifle with the FCG holes in the white.

    As for the magwell hold...meh. It isn't superior for anything, especially close quarters. To each their own though. As for the styling, I think all it's missing is a Boris Vallejo on the magwell for the ultimate fantasy look. It will definitely get the boys on TOS all atwitter!
    No kidding..."quality" and FCG holes being unfinished do not co-align in my mind. Your mention of Boris Valejo reminds me of Krieger's van.

    http://archer.wikia.com/wiki/Krieger%27s_Van
    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Vickers View Post
    It is a cheap Airsoft quality Eotech half ass knockoff- I just had a student with one in a basic class about a month ago and it laid down faster than a cheap hooker

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    Re: New guy with a custom lower I promise nobody has seen!

    Quote Originally Posted by sammage View Post
    No kidding..."quality" and FCG holes being unfinished do not co-align in my mind. Your mention of Boris Valejo reminds me of Krieger's van.

    http://archer.wikia.com/wiki/Krieger%27s_Van
    I don't know if you saw my explanation as to why the FCG holes are unfinished or not but I'll type it again. The lower was purchased as a 80% lower and the manufacturer gave the option of Alodining it along with Powder Coating it prior to me milling it out. He said that the aluminum is already heat treated to T7351 and that it is hard enough to where no galling/egging issues will occur in the FCG holes. He also said if you really want to be on the safe side then use non rotating pins and that would make egging virtually impossible. I also backed up his statements with my gun smith who engraved this lower. He said they will be completely fine and that if I was really worried about it, he would bead blast the finish and then refinish it. Lastly the manufacturer has more experience building weapons systems than a good majority. I trust him after not only seeing the other stuff he has fabricated but also watching him fabricate. If he gives me a guarantee that it will be 100% fine then I'm going to take the man's word for it rather than the word of someone I don't know or someone who has no experience fabricating weapon systems. If anything were to happen to it, he will have no problem replacing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obscenejesster View Post
    I don't know if you saw my explanation as to why the FCG holes are unfinished or not but I'll type it again. The lower was purchased as a 80% lower and the manufacturer gave the option of Alodining it along with Powder Coating it prior to me milling it out. He said that the aluminum is already heat treated to T7351 and that it is hard enough to where no galling/egging issues will occur in the FCG holes. He also said if you really want to be on the safe side then use non rotating pins and that would make egging virtually impossible. I also backed up his statements with my gun smith who engraved this lower. He said they will be completely fine and that if I was really worried about it, he would bead blast the finish and then refinish it. Lastly the manufacturer has more experience building weapons systems than a good majority. I trust him after not only seeing the other stuff he has fabricated but also watching him fabricate. If he gives me a guarantee that it will be 100% fine then I'm going to take the man's word for it rather than the word of someone I don't know or someone who has no experience fabricating weapon systems. If anything were to happen to it, he will have no problem replacing it.

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    Have you found an upper you plan on using yet? I would be interested to see how everything pairs up.

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