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The sword sang on the barren heath,
The sickle in the fruitful field:
The sword he sang a song of death,
But could not make the sickle yield.
It looks very cool. I like it.
Seems a great many of the posters are in need of a hug!![]()
It's an 80's movie I watched when younger. I then named my Hayabusa "Turk". It stuck.
I never said the magwell grip was better. I just said some people prefer different grips for different situations.
I never said the person who fabricated this lower was magical as I'm sure he isn't the only one doing so. I simply stated I haven't see anyone here who is capable of taking a block of aluminum and fabricating it into a working receiver. I'm sure there are many here who have put together a firearm using parts already fabricated but have yet to see someone design and fabricate their own. I was just wondering how someone who doesn't have experience in treating/machining aluminum can question the choice of someone who does. Sorry if it was taken any other way.
When it comes to the Government contract issue, I don't see how this makes a difference. The man left Beretta after working for them for 10 years. He wanted to pursue his own thing. He built a shop with multiple CNC machines and has ever since been contracted by the Government. I don't know what he does for them but whatever it is, it involves fabricating. The reason why he decided to build these lowers is because he is in between contracts right now and doesn't start his next one until June. He figured he would design and fabricate a lower receiver due to the current firearm market/climate and he had multiple CNC machines sitting around doing nothing. He already had his sources for the material needed so after designing the lower, he knew it would be pretty easy to accomplish.
When it comes to the material and treatment process he decided to use, I am not going to question a man who fabricates aluminum for a living. I did ask him some questions that you all had concerns about such as why he chose to treat the aluminum to T7351 instead of T6 and he told me to go look at what Armalite uses for their AR-10 lowers which are designed to support a round much more powerful than 5.56. Well, I did look and I found that Armalite does indeed use 7075-T73 aluminum to make their AR-10 lowers. I am not about to understand why but I'm sure there are reasons. When it comes to Alodining, he told me the reason why he chose it over Anodizing is because he feels it provides a base for Powder Coat, Cerakote or any other coating. He also said you don't have to worry about pitting like you do when Anodizing.
Like I said before, please feel free to ask me any specific question and I will do my best to get a answer from him. He actually likes when people ask technical questions. I also know of two other people in this thread who spoke with the manufacture and after speaking to him, they ordered multiple lowers. I guess they felt as if he knew exactly what he was talking about.
Not long ago, you stated he fabricated firearms from scratch and that he has military contracts, then referred to guys here with loads of experience as lego-builders.
Why is he better? What has he done, specifically that you know about, that makes him superior to a lego-builder?
Proven combat techniques may not be flashy and may require a bit more physical effort on the part of the shooter. Further, they may not win competition matches, but they will help ensure your survival in a shooting or gunfight on the street. ~ Paul Howe
Done with the 458 Lott! Now I'm going to do some 375 H&H! I'm on a roll! I'm glad it rained! Damn, I get a headache just thinking about taking my big bores to the range on Monday. Not Monday. Gotta do brakes on Monday. Tuesday...........Tuesday.
This guy must have a lot of time on his hands if he can spend hours a day on the phone with wannabees.
Last edited by Suwannee Tim; 03-23-13 at 19:24.
I wouldn't necessarily call him better. I would say he is more experienced when it comes to fabricating and machining aluminum. Maybe I used to wrong term when I said firearms. I should have said firearm receivers. I refer to anyone including myself who puts together something out of fabricated parts and or parts kits a Lego builder. When I originally asked a friend of mine how hard it was to build a AR he said it was like Lego's for adults. You just buy the parts and fallow the directions. Now designing and fabricating your own receivers from a block of aluminum is an entirely different monster that I'm sure most of us don't have the skill, know how and equipment to do.
There is no great magic in creating an AR lower receiver if you have access to the right machinery and the standard specs, which are widely available. It doesn't take any special magic to modify the original pattern and make your own proprietarary components, either ... just a good idea or two and some CAD/CAM experience.
We have several folks on this board who work for companies that are heavily involved in fabricating receivers, so I'm not sure why the OP seems to think that this is unprecedented territory that few have ever been exposed to. The real issue, however, is that he seems narrowly focused upon how the components are made (and of what), as opposed to how they can and should ultimately be used.
I can fully appreciate that visiting this friend's shop is impressive, that he sounds extremely knowledgeable and that his particular flavor of Kool-Aid is quite tasty. Clearly he posseses some admirable production skills. What he's chosen to do with his design work, however, suggests that he is an artisan and machinist with little real world insight into how the components are actually used. You can fit a snowplow to a motorcycle, too, but that doesn't mean that the end product is going to be particularly useful when the snow comes. These well-made Seekins knock-off receivers might not be quite that senseless, but the features that set them apart are just as silly.
As I said before, there is nothing wrong with buying something you like, just because you like it -- whether it gains widespread acceptance with others or not. On the other hand, it is borderline stupidity to continue to argue points that have been demonstrated to be largely without merit. I would prefer that you settle in, enjoy your membership, and learn; that said, my fear is that you are going to grow weary of constantly being corrected, and that you will stomp off in a huff because "the elitist pricks at M4C didn't have anything positive to say." In time, you will learn why we feel as we do. I hope that you stick around long enough to find out. You will be a more informed shooter for the effort.
Until such time as this rifle is completed and the OP wishes to reveal the results, I'm going to close this one in the interest of keeping things on a positive note. We can gladly revisit it later.
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