Colt HBAR 1/9 twist maybe?
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Colt HBAR 1/9 twist maybe?
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Accuracy will not be better because you go longer, it'll nly shoot a little flatter, which out to 250 is not much of a concern. Honestly, I can run my 10.5" at 200 yards all day and shoot just as tight as my 16" 6920 (which I no longer have). you can buy a stainless precision barreled upper if you want better accuracy, but I doubt you'll see much difference at 250.
For me, I run a 14.5" for most hog and coyote hunting ncluding occasional jackrabbits. Munch520 took a skunk (at a bit of a distance compared to everything else) and a raccoon with my 14.5" last month and a few hogs. I've taken hogs at nearly 300 yards with it, though they're usually quite a bit closer.
Use the right ammo and the best optic for your style of hunting. You'll be fine.
Last edited by jonconsiglio; 03-24-13 at 11:35.
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There is a lot of Recce/DMR information that you should be looking at. I have a 16" Recce but I don't think it does anything that a 14.5" Noveske "Afghan" wouldn't within 600yds. Don't think longer necessarily equals more accurate.
A 16" barrel can go way past 300 yards. I pushed mine out to 600 today and surprised myself at how well it did.
I built a rifle for the exact purpose you are looking for. LmT lower with 2 stage trigger, BCM 16" stainless upper, DD mfr hand guard. It is an honest to god sub moa rifle and has busted up coyotes from fifty feet to over 400 yards. Scope is a leupold VXR 1.5x4 and I couldn't be happier with the setup.
Search posts by me in the costum build fourm and you will find pics and accuracy review.
By the looks of it you are not planning on taking high round count clases with your carbine so I would suggest getting a complete 16" ss410 upper receiver with the rail that suits you best from BCM. Can't beat the reliability and as far as accuracy for nailing them yotes at distance is hard to beat as well. That's what I did. I got an ss410 recce for my long range and hunting but use my ddm4 v5lw for training and hardcore shit. My $.02
The above confuses me (any everyone else).
The 6920 is perfectly capable of serving both duties. Make no mistake about it.
Given what you said about your budgetary constraints, you may want to consider something like a Colt 6900 (1:8 barrel, [supposedly] decent trigger, free-floating handguard...albeit kinda ugly) for LESS MONEY than a 6920, but take the savings and invest it in a better optic for hunting (something you would have to eventually buy anyways).
Or, if you're up for it, you could always piece together a rifle for a reasonable price now that things are starting to stabilize a little bit.
Last edited by ^Rb; 03-24-13 at 04:43. Reason: spelling
Why should suterwyo get another upper or rifle before trying his hand with the 6920? That money would be better spent on ammo (maybe better sights) and going out & shooting what he already has to see how it will work. Buying another upper without knowing what's needed to fill the role (Remember- Mission drives the gear) means the shooter might getting something that won't work any better- and possibly worse- than what they've already got
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Get a light, a sling, and a magnified optic with good QD rings (run irons for HD, the optic for varminting). Get an RDS with a good QD mount when you can afford it. Maybe consider getting a FF handguard down the road. Job done.
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Keeping in mind that this forum has a general bias towards "tacticool" and there is a more than fair share number of folks who have extensive experience in real world use in tactical situations and not so much in varmint hunting (or remain fairly quiet if they are here), you need to go to the varmint hunting forums to get a sense of what is needed for that.
http://www.arshunt.com/fall2011/fall...geSet=1&page=0
http://www.predatormastersforums.com...oard=71&page=1
I have done both, but with that said, I do not have the in your face, room clearing, intense CQB work that many here seem or profess to have. I have hunted over my 50 plus years many, many coyotes and squirrels having grown up on a sheep ranch in the West and hunting and shooting is my only hobby as well as spent 21 years in the Marine Corps. I also do not work for "the industry" as some here do so I don't have any particular bias towards one outfit or another.
So with all that out of the way: I have currently 3 (and had 4) AR-15 platforms for defense and hunting. One, a 450 bushmaster upper 18" in rifle configuration with a Spikes Tactical lower, we can discard from the conversation.
The other three, in order of purchase, were a DelTon single-stage trigger M4 config 5.56 6 position with military cutout barrel with a 1/7" twist. It was the least accurate with 1.5-2" fired from rest groups with factory XM193 and like groups with HSM 50 gr ballistic tip. I recently sold this rifle.
The second is a Remington R-15 two stage target trigger .223 fluted free-float 18" 1/9" (no flash suppressor) with a Luepold VX-III 6-18X AO scope. It groups a hair smaller than .75" at 100 yds with HSM 50 gr ballistic tip.
The last is a Spikes Tactical lower single stage nickel-boron trigger, 6 position MOE, with a M&A parts 5.56 16" heavy barrel fluted mid-length gas 1/9" flattop (assembled by LMT with a moly Wilson barrel) standard flash suppressor with standard mid length hand guards and a Luepold VX-R patrol 1.5-4X with the SPR reticle mounted with a Burris P.E.P.R. I bought this for a dual purpose gun to have in the vehicle when in the field and since selling the other, for home use. I bought it because I have a friend who had the same upper and he found it to be super accurate. That is my experience also. It shoots a .4" large ragged hole group with the HSM ammo and sub-1" groups with XM193 at 100 yards.......which I have done 4 or 5 times to verify because I couldn't believe it myself! The gun is plenty good enough to shoot whistle pigs at 100-150 yards with the 4 power scope and perfect for "pop-up" coyotes.
Additionally, it can be used for defense with the lighted fire-dot 1.5X. No, I don't have a ton of tacticool things hanging off of it.....then again, I don't plan on fending off zombies or clearing buildings of terrorists. It will suffice more than adequately for intense personal defense (how did the poor guys defend themselves in WWII with the M-1 Garand or the lowly M-1 Carbine without all of the goodies, I continually wonder). I have added a rail adapter ( http://www.midwayusa.com/product/497...accessory-rail ) to the bayonet lug that has side loops for my 2 point convertible to 1 point Magpul MS3 sling and when at home, I mount a rail QD pistol light for use out to 50 yards at night. In the field I can mount a bipod for whistle pig shooting (haven't to date...I simply use a portable bipod). I have a MI QD sling mount on the tube just aft of the receiver so I can take the sling off when arriving at the shooting site or use in a single point mode for defense.
So, in my experience, and there are many with other but these are mine, is that you can come up with a nice personal defense weapon that meets your accuracy requirements with a 1/9" (you can find some 1/8" also that work just fine also, I have heard) that work with lighter varmint bullets. Will 1/7" work? Of course, but don't limit yourself to 1/7" unless you plan to shoot squirrels with heavier bullets and potentially preclude the lighter cheaper bullets.
If you want a gun to do both defense and hunting, then you need to configure it to do both, which is a compromise with not all the features of one nor the other. Enjoy your search and good luck.
Here is a "light" discussion on twist in the AR to help you frame your thoughts:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...or-your-ar-15/
Last edited by Chorizo; 03-24-13 at 18:10.
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