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    Quote Originally Posted by iflylo View Post
    Hello guys,

    I've been a forum lurker for a while and would like some feedback if you can regarding Adams Arms piston driven AR. I currently do not have an AR, just a few HK hand guns. I'm wanting to purchase my first AR and have been looking at Daniel Defense and also Adams Arms. The DD rifle has a massive amount of feedback and reviews online, Adams seems a little harder to locate.

    I've read about how strict top makers such as DD, Noveske, LMT have their build process to make top end AR's... Is Adams Arms quality and build process on the same level?

    The understand the Adams is a piston driven system as apposed to DI, but, other then the main difference is the build quality standards the same? I dont want to have any buyers remorse with the Adams if I move forward with that purchase.

    Any feedback to help out a fellow gun enthusiast would be much appreciated.

    Thank you,
    iflylo
    Let me ask a question, why Adams Arms? Why not the HK 416/MR556 or a new LWRC rifle. All of which LAV has said are good rifles. So, why AA if you want a piston gun? If you say price, I'll say that IMO you can't afford a piston gun. My point is to buy the best rifle you can afford regardless of the system. If you can afford either DI or piston, buy the one you want, but buy the best quality one you can.

    Personally, I don't care if you buy piston or DI. If you want piston, get it. But for me personally, if I'm buying a piston gun, I'll take the advice I just gave you and look at an HK or an LWRC. If DI, I have a DD rifle, so right now BCM because they've been supportive of our 2A rights and I think that deserves some consideration.

    YMMV and it is your money, so I won't be terribly upset if don't follow my advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker View Post
    Let me ask a question, why Adams Arms? Why not the HK 416/MR556 or a new LWRC rifle. All of which LAV has said are good rifles. So, why AA if you want a piston gun? If you say price, I'll say that IMO you can't afford a piston gun. My point is to buy the best rifle you can afford regardless of the system. If you can afford either DI or piston, buy the one you want, but buy the best quality one you can.

    Personally, I don't care if you buy piston or DI. If you want piston, get it. But for me personally, if I'm buying a piston gun, I'll take the advice I just gave you and look at an HK or an LWRC. If DI, I have a DD rifle, so right now BCM because they've been supportive of our 2A rights and I think that deserves some consideration.

    YMMV and it is your money, so I won't be terribly upset if don't follow my advice.

    Great question man. I'm a huge HK fan, so the MR556 has been on my radar. The only problem currently is that its near impossible to find one unless Gunbroker with ridiculous prices. The only reason I posted on AA is because a local shop had one for sale. I ideally like to do business with a local company to help support them and also for future needs it makes things smoother.

    I'm going to slow my purchase down, after all the responses I have on here and searching you are right...which ever direction I go I want the best I can afford.


    iflylo

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    Re: Adams Arms build quality

    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    Critical Thinking Time-
    1) An op-rod upper does nothing better than the legacy system
    Many SMEs disagree with this. Op rod uppers do better, according to people who put more rounds down range per year than I will in my life, in SBRs, while suppressed, and while shooting full auto. Especially all three combined. But if you aren't doing any of those three, a DI upper will serve you better. And yes mistwolf, I know calling it DI is a pet peeve of yours.


    Also, I don't buy the "spare parts" argument. Only 1 or 2 parts on an AA system, for example, will be hard to source a replacement for if shtf or something. He could go out and buy a SCAR 16 and have every single part aside from the pistol grip as hard to source a replacement. Or he could buy a SR15 and never find a spare bolt or barrel. I'm not saying he'll ever need a replacement, but those weapons do have wear parts. A solid op rod won't likely break and will probably last the life of the entire weapon. Yes, they have broke at least once in the past, but every company has issues from time to time.

    The same argument about parts can be made for any pistol that's not a Glock, 1911, or 92fs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koshinn View Post
    Many SMEs disagree with this. Op rod uppers do better, according to people who put more rounds down range per year than I will in my life, in SBRs, while suppressed, and while shooting full auto...
    Not all agree that the op-rod is superior under these conditions. A legacy AR works just as well when the gas port is properly regulated.

    There are a lot of things I've seen on the internet about the Stoner system and the op-rod conversion concerning heat, fouling, recoil and reliability just to name a few, that have proven to be less than accurate. Some folks just don't understand how things work and try to explain them without knowing what they don't know. Like the claim the gas pressure in the BCG pushes the bolt forward to assist with unlocking. Applying a bit of logic will prove that's an impossibility, yet the myth persists.

    Stoner himself said his gas system is not a direct impingement system. Sure, it is a pet peeve, but pets need to get out to play now and again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by iflylo View Post
    Great question man. I'm a huge HK fan, so the MR556 has been on my radar. The only problem currently is that its near impossible to find one unless Gunbroker with ridiculous prices. The only reason I posted on AA is because a local shop had one for sale. I ideally like to do business with a local company to help support them and also for future needs it makes things smoother.

    I'm going to slow my purchase down, after all the responses I have on here and searching you are right...which ever direction I go I want the best I can afford.


    iflylo
    Just take a few weeks and read everything you can on different rifles. When someone like LAV says GTG, I note it. Not just him because there are others, but guys at that level know what works and what doesn't. While they may have some individual preferences, they also will have some common ones. And when budgeting also remember that mags, training, slings, ammo, lights etc all cost money as well. I think people tend to forget this when they budget for a firearm, but those things are important. No need to have something you can't afford to shoot. Good luck and welcome to M4. Yes it is always like this, but you'll get use to it.

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    OP - You could always buy a DD upper and replace the FSB/BCG/gas tube with an AA piston system. You can even keep the DD bolt too if you remove the gas rings.

    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    Not all agree that the op-rod is superior under these conditions. A legacy AR works just as well when the gas port is properly regulated.
    "many" != "all"

    There are a lot of things I've seen on the internet about the Stoner system and the op-rod conversion concerning heat, fouling, recoil and reliability just to name a few, that have proven to be less than accurate.
    Sure there are a lot of myths. But the fact that some myths exist does not mean the op-rod system has no merits whatsoever, which is what you are saying when you wrote:
    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    1) An op-rod upper does nothing better than the legacy system
    Stoner himself said his gas system is not a direct impingement system. Sure, it is a pet peeve, but pets need to get out to play now and again!
    DI is easier to say than "Stoner gas system in the AR15 FOW." We all know it's not actually DI because there's an internal piston.
    Last edited by Koshinn; 03-26-13 at 02:41.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ^Rb View Post


    Want a piston gun? Buy a ****ing piston gun.

    Judging by your join date, lack of experience with the AR platform, and your attitude, it sounds like you already made your mind up prior to posting this thread. Buy whatever makes you happy man. Just don't act like a whiny bitch when your shit breaks and you can't find replacement parts.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hmac View Post
    It's valuable contributions like this that make the internet such a valuable part of our lives.
    Sarcasm: the best form of humor.

    It's really unfortunate that a forum like this, which represents gun owners and the entire industry, tolerates comments like this. As a fellow "noob" (apparently the title designated to new members, regardless of their level of prior knowledge or experience) I feel for the OP in his quest for decent advice. I have run into the same thing, asking questions or going against the grain. All posts like this show is the immaturity of the poster, who apparently cannot treat someone with common courtesy and must resort to name calling, dropping the f-bomb and assuming things about people he/she doesn't know, rather than just politely responding to the OP or pointing him/her to the stickies or another source of information. Can't we treat each other with a little more respect around here?

    That said, here's my advice to the OP (from a fellow newbie): Why don't you get both? Buy one of the mentioned "known quality" rifles and then get a second piston upper from the manufacturer of your choice. From a training standpoint, both will function the same. Use the piston gun for range time and classes if you wish, and then swap back to the DI upper for the serious business if you feel the DI is more reliable. You may find an Adams Arms piston upper is just as reliable in your experience as a Daniels Defense/BCM/Colt, or you may find the opposite. Either way, you'll have first hand experience and a quality "back up plan" should the piston upper fail to meet your expectations. And if it does make the grade, now you have two uppers to configure differently if you want. Sounds like a win-win to me.

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    What would really be amazing is that someone shows up here, quietly searches and reads, realizes that:

    • a DI/Stoner piston gun is cheaper and just as easy to maintain (hose it out with non chlorinated brake cleaner)
    • cleaning is overrated
    • training is paramount
    • money towards an optics is better than some goddamned proprietary piston
    • that ALL of this knowledge is freely available via the orange Search button


    Instead, he's not going to listen, not going to search, not going to read, and not going to train. Prove me wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlelebowski View Post
    What would really be amazing is that someone shows up here, quietly searches and reads, realizes that:
    The problem is selective viewing. Sort of like guns used in self defense. Hundreds, maybe thousands, do indeed use the search button. But when they do, they don't make threads, so you never hear about the successes. What you do see is the few that post first and search later. You're not going to see people post just to say, "Hey everyone, just FYI, I used the search button. Ok, go back to your daily browsing."

    To think otherwise is to fall into the same trap as people who think guns are never used in self defense because such a use never makes the news.

    a DI/Stoner piston gun is cheaper and just as easy to maintain
    Not always true. SR-15, Noveske, Larue, and many other DI guns are more expensive than a piston system like Adams Arms. But yes both are easy to maintain, I don't see anyone making any claims to the contrary.

    cleaning is overrated
    Yep. Pistons are arguably easier to clean, but it doesn't matter.

    training is paramount
    Ok?
    money towards an optics is better than some goddamned proprietary piston
    Arguable, and assuming money is an issue. This guy could be a millionaire that won't hesitate to drop $5k on an HK416 upper AND $3k on a S&B optic. Hell, I've seen it happen at gun stores.

    that ALL of this knowledge is freely available via the orange Search button
    Needs to be more obvious, like maybe bright blue and not wedged in between two huge rows of advertisements. To most people, ads are annoying as hell and ignored for the most part. I honestly never knew there was an orange bar of buttons for the first few months I was here, I used the plain text links placed in the regular vBulletin location. I'd imagine most people completely disregard the top half of M4C pages because of the massive amounts of ads.

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    I have an AA 16" upper, it's worked flawless after running a few hundred rounds through it. That said, I still prefer DI ARs over pistons, just my opinion.

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