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    Quote Originally Posted by bucket220 View Post
    Cool. Thanks for the responses guys, I greatly appreciate it.

    I'll probably go the "safe than sorry" route and keep a copy of the stamp in one of the tubes of my STR in some sort of waterproof contraption.

    I just didn't want to get to the range and have someone question it (I've read about it before) or call the ATF/LEO on me (I've read about it before, too).
    I have heard of some ranges asking for paperwork on SBRs but I've never seen it. Our local indoor range doesn't seem to care. I've never heard of ATF cruising around on NFA patrol and would be astonished to see that. As to local law enforcement on SBRs, that is equally rare around here. In this state, however, there's no state statutory requirement that SBRs be registered with NFA, so no basis for local LE to be involved.

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    With Ali Bama at the helm, and his corruption and abuse of power on the cartel guns... a little error on the side of caution isn't a bad idea.

    In AZ they don't mess with us for the most part.
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    When I worked at a certain range in NoVa, we asked to see the paperwork. If you didn't have the paperwork, or just didn't want to show it, that was fine. But the firearm was not allowed on the range.

    A local range down here has basically the same rule. And that's fine. Their range, their rules.

    I keep a reduced size laminated copy of the approved Form in my gun bag. You have to go digging through pockets to get to them, so I'm not really worried about either someone stealing them, or losing them.

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    I have a colored copy stashed at the stock or grip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hydguy View Post
    When I worked at a certain range in NoVa, we asked to see the paperwork. If you didn't have the paperwork, or just didn't want to show it, that was fine. But the firearm was not allowed on the range.

    A local range down here has basically the same rule. And that's fine. Their range, their rules.
    Did they photocopy it, or just ask to see it? Do they also ask to see permits to carry or other credentials? Do such ranges think that they're at some legal risk if they allow unregistered firearms on their property?

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    For carrying in lmt sopmods I've made color copies at 50% size. I put the paperwork for the sbr and for 3 possible Suppressors it may be wearing. The smaller paperwork fits easily and I know it's there just in case.

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    Photo copies

    For what its worth, I keep a photo copie of my forms with each SBR, supressor and Machine gun. I also keep another photo copie in a "master" 3 ring binder that I take with me if I am taking alot of toys out at one time. All originals are kept in a safe.
    I have never been asked to show paperwork for a SBR or Supressor, only the machine guns (copies have always been fine). Over the years it has happened at several ranges and private property I own. For the record all the different LEO have been polite and have specificaly asked to see "paper work" but I have always had to explain what they are looking at. Even had one after looking at my binder, look at 4 beltfeds on tripods ask "are those machine guns?". The LEOs that have checked me include DNR, Sherriff, county and State police.

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    My local indoor range does require you have a copy to shoot there..

    At this point, they know me, so don't ask anymore..

    See mostly suppressors and some SBRs these days..

    I don't believe Ohio has any documentation rules, but I keep a copy of forms in the bottom of my range bag (in a zip lock) just in case..

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    Originals in the safe.

    Copies in the range bag, although I think I'm gonna reduce size copy & laminate the Form 1/4s soon, and just keep any 5320.20s as well. Right now I have both trusts and all associated paperwork, which is getting to be a PITA for just a can & rifle or two. Either that or scan to PDF and keep on my phone.

    I've been asked for paperwork at one range here in FL, showed them and the asked to make copies, and I declined. I followed up with informing them that making copies, aka a "list of gun owners" was a felony under FL law, they have since stopped doing that and don't allow NFA items anymore, IIRC. I shoot somewhere else now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmac View Post
    Did they photocopy it, or just ask to see it? Do they also ask to see permits to carry or other credentials? Do such ranges think that they're at some legal risk if they allow unregistered firearms on their property?
    The range I worked at in Va did not photocopy any NFA related paperwork. Had a very good member who not only didn't have an issue showing us the paperwork, he would also show it to people who had questions about the NFA process to show them what was involved.
    As for carry permits, if you were carrying concealed, how would we know unless you were dumb enough to flash it or whip it out?
    If you were carrying open, as allowed by Va law, all we asked was that you keep your hand off the firearm, unless on the range shooting.
    As for the legal risk, when you run a range, you CAN be sued for anything, from a slip to firearm related death. Whether or not you actually go to court or win/lose a judgement is immaterial, as it will cost money regardless. The more you do to mitigate that risk, the better off you are.

    As for the range here, the one that I have used my NFA stuff at asked to see my Form. All I did was pull it out and he barely even looked at it. Sure as heck didn't ask to copy it, and if they did, I would certainly have declined.
    The other is on an Air Force base, and the range master doesn't have a policy of checking for NFA paperwork.
    Of course, access to the base range is already restricted to a much higher degree than a public range.

    Now, if I'm at a range, and some schmoe walks up and demands to see my paperwork, well, they will be told to pound sand.

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